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Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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post #42

Reading about this home-assistant thing -- why do you need an OS dedicated to the "home automation" use case? Isn't home automation simply an application level use case? Hard for me to see why we'd want a new OS/kernel for this.

You don't need it, but it has a lot of little things that you wouldn't implement but since you have them you use.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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post #51
post #42

Reading about this home-assistant thing -- why do you need an OS dedicated to the "home automation" use case? Isn't home automation simply an application level use case? Hard for me to see why we'd want a new OS/kernel for this.

You don't need it, but it has a lot of little things that you wouldn't implement but since you have them you use.

Much like using a RTOS in the embedded space. It's an option with a lot of overhead, but on the other side of that overhead, you get a large number of features for free that you don't quite need but might as well use.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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post #42

Reading about this home-assistant thing -- why do you need an OS dedicated to the "home automation" use case? Isn't home automation simply an application level use case? Hard for me to see why we'd want a new OS/kernel for this.

I use the OS variant because to me it it's an appliance. I run it on a separate piece of hardware and it does one thing: control my home automation stuff.

I don't want to explain to my SO why the lights aren't turning on because I'm messing with a "apt upgrade" gone wrong.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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At first I thought it was a parody about overdesign and CV-driven development. This kind of feedback loop can be done in hardware without even an IC. Or an 8266 microcontroller (2 euros on aliexpress) if you really need WiFi.

At first I thought it was a parody about overdesign and CV-driven development.

You can make a turkey edible by just salting the whole thing. Or you could bury it under a pile of hot rocks (2 euros on aliexpress) if you really need to get heat involved.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, precisely, to me there's no ethical difference between a turkey and a dog (and a cow), that was my point.

Dogs are a common pet and turkeys are not. Sure, objectively they are animals with edible meat. One is raised with the intention of being eaten and one is not. In the hypothetical far away country (from a few parent comments up), if it was common to eat dogs instead of turkey and dogs were not raised, and treated as "man's best friend" then it would make a lot more sense for them to be consumed.

Not only that, many dogs are raised as hunting dogs specifically to help us kill other animals and survive.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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post #42

Reading about this home-assistant thing -- why do you need an OS dedicated to the "home automation" use case? Isn't home automation simply an application level use case? Hard for me to see why we'd want a new OS/kernel for this.

They provide a number of installation options; you don't need to use the dedicated OS.

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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Do we really need to genocide turkeys every year to celebrate a pockmarked holiday? I'd say a thankful person would be eating something a bit more sustainable than a turkey that's been growth-pumped like a lab animal to epic proportions. Where's the thanks in needless slaughter of sentient beings? Are we so daft that we express our thanks for our fortunate circumstances by causing suffering of others?

>Do we really need to genocide turkeys

>genocide

>Turkey

Ask me how I know you're not Armenian.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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Do we really need to genocide turkeys every year to celebrate a pockmarked holiday? I'd say a thankful person would be eating something a bit more sustainable than a turkey that's been growth-pumped like a lab animal to epic proportions. Where's the thanks in needless slaughter of sentient beings? Are we so daft that we express our thanks for our fortunate circumstances by causing suffering of others?

Do we really need to apply the term genocide to groups that aren't even human? Or is that an emotional appeal? Have you ever met a turkey in real life? Not the wild ones, the domestic breeds. They are so stupid that they will drown in their own water feeder if you don't keep an eye on them.

>Do we really need to apply the term genocide to groups that aren't even human?

No.

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's suppose that in a country far, far away, there is a holiday called Givingthanks where instead of turkeys, dogs are eaten. Your alter ego in that country could then write the exact same comment than you did, replacing 'turkey' with 'dog'. We would read things like: 'It could be argued that our abstinence of industrial dog consumption is the ethical way to justify the one I eat on Givingthanks' or 'Givingthanks d…

The argument was directly related to the original claim of "genocide" and had nothing to do with the consumption of animals in general. I was saying that by consuming one turkey per year I am hardly contributing to the extinction of an animal. Dogs are consumed in other countries such as Nigeria and the practice is only taboo in primarily western cultures. This has historical and cultural implications. Like I said, j…

You misunderstand me. I am using genocide to mean racial killing, its latin roots. I do not think that mass killings of Turkeys for Thanksgiving leads to extinction, that is obviously a foolish notion.

My argument is that it is against the spirit of thankfulness to buy factory-farmed Turkey for Thanksgiving. You clearly do not do that, you buy humanely raised turkey and do not represent the demographic HN or this country (unfortunately.)

Re: Smoking a turkey with Prometheus, Home Assistant, and Grafana

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Very nice, though with a 200lb ceramic bbq like the BGE — and with the caveat that your lid gasket isn’t shot — you can leave it ticking over at 300F for hours, unattended. Big poultry in particular is dead simple because the giant breasts mean they cook as slowly as the legs, unlike a chicken where the breast will overcook by the time the thighs are done. Take it off when it’s at 140F and let it sit for an hour. My…

Spatchcock your chicken and it will cook more evenly. We spatchcock our turkey's too. Can't stuff it that way but I make an oyster stuffing outside of the bird.
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