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Re: AWS free tier data transfer expansion

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Post by stillicidious »

mythz wrote: post #17

Was only a matter of time after their egregious egress fees were exposed, 2 Cloudflare posts that help make this happen: https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/ https://www.cloudflare.com/press-releases/2021/cloudflare-an...

I've seen Cloudflare Enterprise accounts for two clients, the current one is paying the equivalent of $0.035/GB, the other was substantially higher although I've forgotten the numbers. Equivalent pricing from another vendor for the same service with enterprise support was $0.0021/GB. Their free bandwidth promises are grossly overstated, and possibly even a marketing fabrication, given previous reports here and elsewhere of high bandwidth users being cajoled into upgrades.

For an honest bandwidth offer, I'd much sooner consider Fly.io rather than Cloudflare. At least with Fly their true pricing is transparent

edit: speaking of transparency, https://imgur.com/HnlWFUe

Re: AWS free tier data transfer expansion

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Post by butMyside »

eatonphil wrote: post #10
shepherdjerred wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but then you have to use Oracle

Let's not poo poo actual competition. If Oracle _wants_ to compete with AWS that's a pretty good thing for everyone.

No let’s poo poo Oracle.

I worked there. Engineering is vastly different than anywhere else; it’s about Oracle; not open source, not simplifying software and technology… it truly is about daddy Larry being rich enough to afford a fighter jet so he has enough to trickle down on the plebs.

Their traditional business side hates the cloud side because it’s taking over priority; legacy process is foisted on greenfield effort. It’s a shit show culture by MBAs for MBAs.

There is no technical competition or innovation coming out of there, just bean counters looking to collect beans.

Re: AWS free tier data transfer expansion

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Post by swiftcoder »

eatonphil wrote: post #10
shepherdjerred wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but then you have to use Oracle

Let's not poo poo actual competition. If Oracle _wants_ to compete with AWS that's a pretty good thing for everyone.

Plus they hired away a ton of AWS engineers to build their competitor right down the street from AWS headquarters. I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

Re: AWS free tier data transfer expansion

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Post by belter »

swiftcoder wrote: post #48
belter wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use Budgets Actions for that: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws-cloud-financial-management/...

Note that these are not instantaneous. You can still incur charges before the budget action kicks in and terminates your resources.

True. But you can do it on forecasted costs.

Re: AWS free tier data transfer expansion

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Post by berns »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #12
shepherdjerred wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but then you have to use Oracle

I've used Oracle Cloud, and it's actually pretty nice and well-designed at least from my point of view. It gives the AWS Dashboard a run for their m̵o̵n̵e̵y̵ egress fees. But I still don't run anything important on it or push the limits of the free tier. Oracle doesn't have a good reputation. Also "Oracle Unbreakable Linux" is literally just RHEL rebranded, but it's not a community project and they don't like to ackn…

Bear in mind that premier support is included for free for cloud customers. So for example ksplice and dtrace are included. Ksplice is fantastic and it's really worth it.

Re: AWS free tier data transfer expansion

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Post by throwaway2016a »

As an AWS user I'm a bit disappointed with this. I was hoping their answer would be to cut or eliminated some prices across the board vs just increasing the free tier.

I find most apps are pretty binary. Either they are high bandwidth (like video and backups) or not. If you use 1TB there is a good chance you will use 2TB.

This will certainly make it less likely for the low bandwidth users to get a surprise bill but if you're doing video $85 per TB will get expensive fast. You better make sure your business model can make a profit at those prices. But even then, if the average user pays you $20 a month and only streams 100GB of video you make money but you'd make more money outside of AWS.

It's almost as if AWS wants to active discourage those use cases.

Re: AWS free tier data transfer expansion

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Post by ignoramous »

stillicidious wrote: post #51
mythz wrote: post #17

Was only a matter of time after their egregious egress fees were exposed, 2 Cloudflare posts that help make this happen: https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/ https://www.cloudflare.com/press-releases/2021/cloudflare-an...

I've seen Cloudflare Enterprise accounts for two clients, the current one is paying the equivalent of $0.035/GB, the other was substantially higher although I've forgotten the numbers. Equivalent pricing from another vendor for the same service with enterprise support was $0.0021/GB. Their free bandwidth promises are grossly overstated, and possibly even a marketing fabrication, given previous reports here and elsewh…

We save 7TB per mo egress because of Cloudflare's free cache (through Workers) and pay nothing for it.

Granted Cloudflare, the CDN, has Enterprise plans for higher TB bandwidth (esp video), but Cloudflare, the Cloud platform, has more than generous free-tier, batteries included. AWS' value-based pricing has them extract fees for things as trivial as builds and deploys, and their bills are nothing but nightmare to parse or estimate. This is in stark contrast to the simple and straight-forward pricing with Cloudflare, which we pretty much prefer as a small dev shop. So much so that we choose to pay Cloudflare money to host our services even though we've got 5-digit AWS$ credits.

Re: AWS free tier data transfer expansion

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Post by hobo_mark »

Epskampie wrote: post #20

AWS free tier is horrible. You have to enter a creditcard to sign up, and then there is no way to prevent it being charged when you go over the limit for some reason. If you get on the frontpage of HN for example, you might be majorly screwed. It's a test account, I just want it to shut down when the limit is reached.

Also the AWS free tier expires after 12 months (unlike, say, GCP).

Re: AWS free tier data transfer expansion

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Post by deeblering4 »

Epskampie wrote: post #20

AWS free tier is horrible. You have to enter a creditcard to sign up, and then there is no way to prevent it being charged when you go over the limit for some reason. If you get on the frontpage of HN for example, you might be majorly screwed. It's a test account, I just want it to shut down when the limit is reached.

Yup, this is one of several reasons I just pay the $5/mo for a similarly specced VPS with another provider.
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