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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I have to wonder if job satisfaction at Facebook has a very binomial distribution. This is pretty much true at any large corp, where there can be a ton of variation between teams, but from the outside looking in it seems that Facebook basically has a dichotomy: On one hand you have teams working on interesting and industry-leading tech, like React, GraphQL, Oculus, etc. But on the other you have legions of people wor…

I think you mean bimodal. Binomial is something else completely

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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post #21

"Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity" poisoned everything in tech. Honest authenticity is a relic of the past, only the most empty, patronizing, virtue signaling pretenders can flourish there now.

I'm a hardcore leftie. so I agree with the sentiment behind these initiatives, and also agree with you that the current treatment is somewhat facile and annoying. but really? if being offended by this is the most important thing about your choice of employment - maybe your priorities are a little skewed?

Just so you know, the parent is the CTO of Gab.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#53
Some people are excited about Oculus and the metaverse, but I can't stomach the idea of FB-owned VR. Social media already feels like a parasite and a drug thanks to FB, and putting an Oculus on feels like wrapping the vampire squid right across my face.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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post #18

While this is a trend across the board since the pandemic, for Facebook it is particularly troublesome because it's deeper rooted than at other companies. On an almost daily basis it is becoming more and more public knowledge that Facebook is in more legal trouble than it can handle and that the company no longer has much good standing in society (which, for a "social" media company, is a bit of a problem). Young peo…

They’ve certainly faced an onslaught from the press, which has decided they are Philip Morris 2.0. It’s very unclear if that is going to translate into actual legal trouble.

If I was at FB I’d be more concerned with how young people are rejecting it.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#55

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

> only half their job offers are taken up, that's super surprising to me

It would be interesting to get some stats on this. But the common advice when applying for jobs is to "get competing offers" so you can negotiate. I wouldn't be surprised if people who are getting offers at FB, can get a few very high quality offers at other places as well.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#56

I have to wonder if job satisfaction at Facebook has a very binomial distribution. This is pretty much true at any large corp, where there can be a ton of variation between teams, but from the outside looking in it seems that Facebook basically has a dichotomy: On one hand you have teams working on interesting and industry-leading tech, like React, GraphQL, Oculus, etc. But on the other you have legions of people wor…

I think you mean bimodal. Binomial is something else completely

Indeed, binomial distributions are quite unimodal!

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#57

I have to wonder if job satisfaction at Facebook has a very binomial distribution. This is pretty much true at any large corp, where there can be a ton of variation between teams, but from the outside looking in it seems that Facebook basically has a dichotomy: On one hand you have teams working on interesting and industry-leading tech, like React, GraphQL, Oculus, etc. But on the other you have legions of people wor…

This is the case with most tech firms. Unless you’re hired specifically to work on OSS stuff, your likely job role is “boring” stuff. If you’re really good and deliver consistently, you get to work on projects with increasing scope and impact, and if you build a custom solution for a unique problem you face, you may open source it and it might end up solving other peoples problems…

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#58
One of the recent thought experiments I've been pondering: "What if there was a blacklist that you would join by taking/continuing employment at facebook?"

The idea being that companies would agree to a pact in which they would blacklist anyone who works for facebook. What would be the consequences?

Some sub-questions:

1. Would a blacklist be legal? Do employment laws prohibit hiring decisions based on one's prior employment?

2. Would companies agree to join the pact? 2.a If tech workers were unionized, would the union have any power to persuade companies to join a pact?

3. What effect would a functioning blacklist have on facebook?

* The only effect I can thing of is FB would have to start paying more to retain/attract employees.

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This is all just a thought experiment. A what-if question. I'm not seriously proposing a blacklist. I'm just curious about what would happen if one where implemented.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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This bodes very poorly for Facebook. The money may still come in but forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference between a trendy company like Facebook and a corporate monolith like Oracle.

FB is already a legacy company in my opinion. It makes no products I am interested in using and gives no indication of ever doing so. I will never call them Meta and it's going to be funny when no one else does either. They haven't earned it. Google, whatever its problems, gives some indication of keeping up with the times. Aside from undisputed leadership in AI, there are the little things: they recently overhauled…

Their social networking product is YouTube. It's quite successful and it beat Facebook in video.
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