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DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by Ekaros »

zpeti wrote: post #40
deanc wrote: post #32

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73% [1] of couriers don't want to be employees (in Finland). They are quite happy with this arrangement as it means they are paid more. The survey that was conducted was quite thorough and interesting. It's worth a read. (Just stating facts here, don't have an opinion myself on this) [1] https://blog.wolt.com/fin/2021/06/23/taloustutkimus-majority...

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Being non-employee at these income levels is just horrible deal. Miss quite many things from pensions to possible unemployment benefits and possibly even paid vacation.

It only really starts to become reasonable if you can bill yourself as consultant in fields like IT.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by Sharlin »

zpeti wrote: post #40
deanc wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

73% [1] of couriers don't want to be employees (in Finland). They are quite happy with this arrangement as it means they are paid more. The survey that was conducted was quite thorough and interesting. It's worth a read. (Just stating facts here, don't have an opinion myself on this) [1] https://blog.wolt.com/fin/2021/06/23/taloustutkimus-majority...

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There’s also no reason an employee couldn’t have fully flexible hours if the business model is suitable anyway. Well, in principle no reason, anyway, in practice current employment legislation and collective agreements in Finland place limits on working times because historically the risk of employers voluntelling employees to work less-than-pleasant hours has been deemed too high.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by Dobbs »

nebula8804 wrote: post #31
larschdk wrote: post #23

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It's still an open question whether this is legal in some countries, e.g. Denmark. It's being argued heavily that Wolt shouldn't be allowed to avoid pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers. The competing Just Eat have just signed a union agreement with couriers which includes full benefits, without increasing prices for customers.

>pension, payed vacation, and payed sick leave, which are required by law for all workers Wait do you mean that someone like a janitor has all these benefits?

Why wouldn't a janitor be deserving of these things? They work hard, their job is essential for the running of other businesses, and most of all they are humans too.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by AnssiH »

zpeti wrote: post #40
deanc wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

73% [1] of couriers don't want to be employees (in Finland). They are quite happy with this arrangement as it means they are paid more. The survey that was conducted was quite thorough and interesting. It's worth a read. (Just stating facts here, don't have an opinion myself on this) [1] https://blog.wolt.com/fin/2021/06/23/taloustutkimus-majority...

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Employment does not have to mean fixed or restricted work times.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by Ekaros »

arlort wrote: post #48
mupuff1234 wrote: post #39

Why would the EU approve the deal? Seems like a no brainer to reject it.

Because the EU and the member states don't have jurisdiction to block every single company in the market from being acquired. And wolt is not exactly sensitive to national security interests or at risk of creating a monopoly

And at least in Finland Doordash really isn't a competitor, so there isn't even monopoly issues.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

orangepanda wrote: post #20
atlasunshrugged wrote: post #4

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As someone who has used both Wolt and DoorDash I would say don't hold your breath on decreased fees. Probably it'll just get more opaque and restaurant menu prices will increase 10-20% while the additional fees stay the same so they can book more revenue without you feeling like you're paying more (because who is also googling the restaurant menu at the same time to compare?)

And how is this worse? I'd prefer an upfront 20% increase instead of it being added later anyway in fees

It's just less transparent

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by deanclatworthy »

mschuster91 wrote: post #46
deanc wrote: post #32

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73% [1] of couriers don't want to be employees (in Finland). They are quite happy with this arrangement as it means they are paid more. The survey that was conducted was quite thorough and interesting. It's worth a read. (Just stating facts here, don't have an opinion myself on this) [1] https://blog.wolt.com/fin/2021/06/23/taloustutkimus-majority...

Classic short-term fallacy. Yes, you get more net payout as a "contractor" - but you don't get paid sick leave or pension contributions unless you care for these on your own. This is why this model is very frowned upon by European societies as it inevitably leaves taxpayers to pick up the tab in the form of basic social security.

Maybe. But remember that the employees themselves voted on this. This was done by an independent auditor.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by Ekaros »

Hamuko wrote: post #15
PedroCandeias wrote: post #10

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Is 3 euros such a high price to pay someone to bike over to the restaurant and bring you a still warm meal?

My experiences with Wolt are that the food comes in a car and is not warm.

Free delivery deals are nice, but it is not exactly fun looking at driver going around the town for 40 minutes. And then order missing stuff...

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by illuminati1911 »

shafyy wrote: post #25
NaughtyShiba wrote: post #2

As almost-daily user of Wolt, I'm interested to see how this will impact me. Maybe I finally won't have to pay 3 euros for McDonalds to get delivered for a 10minute walking distance.

Jesus, this is exactly the problem, If you don't want to pay the people who deliver your food to your lazy ass a fair salary don't use food delivery. Go get your own food. In my opinion it should be even more than €3 for most deliveries, I think this is subsidized by VC money and unfair conditions to the delivery people.

For a mcdonalds meal worth of 5-7e, 3e delivery is a complete highway robbery.

If people will go get their own food, try to guess how much the delivery guy earn then when the whole business goes down?

From user of the service point-of-view, the salary of a middleman delivery guy is irrelevant. It's only about what service is being given and how much does it cost. If the cost is too high then people will simply not buy the service. Food delivery is not a necessity after all.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Post by Ekaros »

illuminati1911 wrote: post #59
shafyy wrote: post #25

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Jesus, this is exactly the problem, If you don't want to pay the people who deliver your food to your lazy ass a fair salary don't use food delivery. Go get your own food. In my opinion it should be even more than €3 for most deliveries, I think this is subsidized by VC money and unfair conditions to the delivery people.

For a mcdonalds meal worth of 5-7e, 3e delivery is a complete highway robbery. If people will go get their own food, try to guess how much the delivery guy earn then when the whole business goes down? From user of the service point-of-view, the salary of a middleman delivery guy is irrelevant. It's only about what service is being given and how much does it cost. If the cost is too high then people will simply not bu…

The cost of delivery doesn't really depend on price of order. Not even size of order, unless it's extreme.

3€ for delivery isn't really unreasonable, it's actually quite cheap. Let's say that it takes 10 minutes all together with going to restaurant pick-up/waiting, then going to drop off. With full utilization that would be 18€ an hour. Now remove 24% of VAT: 13.68€. Rest of the taxes and so on... In the end 3€ is probably too low. Even with some 30% from whole order price.

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