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Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by DerekBickerton »

Imnimo wrote: post #29
DerekBickerton wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The clearnet is still a bit of a wild west (albeit now a heavily commercialized one). There's all sort of stuff that shouldn't be there, and if you go to report it to get it taken down, it's there a month later (hate speech, revenge porn, doxxing etc). Tor / Onionland is even more so a wild west, but that's the double-edged sword of anonymity & free speech. Anonymous voices & actions are sometimes the best voices & a…

>Anonymous voices & actions are sometimes the best voices & actions, but also horrific in equal measure. Is it really "equal measure"? Somehow I think this service will get a lot more "horrific" than "best" voices.

> Is it really "equal measure"?

I meant it's a double edged sword. For every ten anonymous 'uncensorable' darknet blogs exposing truth and exposing The Conspiracy, there's another ten sites hosting CSAM content.

I know, it sucks.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by 0des »

jandrese wrote: post #22
lottin wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, if this app really allows unstoppable and uncensorable posting, how does it deal with DoS attacks?

That's the beauty of it, it doesn't. You can spam nonsense all day long. This is only a problem if you want people to actually read what you are posting.

I would challenge the downvoters of this comment to contribute an informed rebuttal.

IPFS is just content-addressing+p2p. In the conventional sense it is similar in comparison to the greater internet. Joe Blow can be on his blog talking about blenders and mixing spoons all day and none of us have to know he exists until we follow the address to his content, thereby downloading it.

Where IPFS takes this a step further is enrolling the viewer/reader/participant in the swarm of peers replicating this content.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by 0des »

ajvs wrote: post #38
izzydata wrote: post #27

I found it amusing that this "nofilter.org" is blocked on my companies network. Not very unstoppable and uncensorable apparently.

Try nofilter.eth, they mention that domain is the only weakness and this decentralised domain can circumvent blocking.

That's not a valid TLD for most people.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by 0des »

petre wrote: post #40

Well, it's promoted with anti vax puctures. Great.

I'm curious what type of content you believe requires/prefers claimed uncensorable mediums of being published. Do you envision it being movie reviews and cake recipes, or can you imagine that ideologies prone to being censored may make up the lion's share of that content?

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by zkldi »

criddell wrote: post #28
zkldi wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens if someone uploads child pornography? Does it just stay there and everyone has to deal with looking at it?

Their ToS say they will take it down if they feel like taking it down.

So it's not free speech?

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by ergot_vacation »

cmatthieu wrote: post #2

Welcome to NoFILTER, the unstoppable, uncensorable, undeplatformable freedom of speech app. By design, this app allows you to spread your word without limits. This app and your articles reside on the Interplanetary File System (IPFS), a decentralized mesh network consisting of thousands of user nodes. There is no web server, no database, and no cloud; therefore, making this app and your content unstoppable and undepl…

I stopped believing in "decentralized free speech" platforms the moment they all decided to censor and attack anyone they politically disagreed with (ie Gab's treatment at the hands of Mastodon). None of the people running these projects actually understand what freedom of speech really is (the ability of THE PEOPLE YOU HATE to speak, a principle, not just a law). When these people drone on and one about "Free Speech" and "Anti-censorship," they really just mean "for people who agree with me," which is no free speech at all.

Beyond that, IPFS is a joke. It's hovered in toy status for years, devoid of the core features it needs to justify its existence (a way to motivate people to host besides the goodness of their hearts, a DNS replacement that's not laughable, a simple and stable interface etc). But even if IPFS was everything it claims to be, using it for something like this is laughable:

1. There is no security in IPFS. It's a content mirroring technology. If you're hosting something illegal, the authorities can find you just fine.

2. IPFS is entirely voluntary. Mirrors can opt out of mirroring things they don't want to host. What are people going to opt out of most? Controversial content. Oh yeah, you can host "controversial" content of the type a teenager things is controversial. But anything actually hot is going to get shit-canned before you can blink.

Overall, IPFS, and anything built on it, is either absurd over-engineering or absurd under-engineering. If you wanna mirror bland, non-hot stuff, just mirror it in the usual ways. You don't need all this cyber-punk larping cloak-and-dagger shit. Nobody cares. And if they DO care? IPFS ain't gonna save you.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by 0des »

spencerflem wrote: post #50
lliamander wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It makes me wonder whether everyone who is extremely anti-censorship really does just want to scream the N-word in everyone's face all day, deep down. This is an absolutely ridiculous and tiresome caricature. Honestly, where have you actually seen this? I've seen some fairly "coarse" discussion forums in my time. They're not really to my taste, but I rarely (if ever) see people using the N-word, let alone screaming…

voat, the free speech version of Reddit went down this path very quickly. Most forums don't tolerate obvious hate speech, so the people who want to do that have to go to places that promise 'no moderation'

So you're saying all I have to do to take down free speech is to shout racialisms incessantly?

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by 0des »

Imnimo wrote: post #7
feoren wrote: post #5

Every single time someone tries something like this, it becomes a bastion for hate speech and everyone else is driven away. It turns out most people actually like a moderated forum. If you joined a book club and every meeting had people just screaming the N-word at the top of their lungs the entire time, I suspect you wouldn't stay at that book club long. Yet time and time again we see people learning this same lesso…

They say it's "undeplatformable", but it's really just a way of screaming into the void because no one is going to want to dig through a pile of trash to find out what they're saying. I'd say it's a great win-win. They get to spout whatever they want, and no one has to hear it.

> no one is going to want to dig through a pile of trash to find out what they're saying

People still use clearnet websites that do this every day. For some sites, read: news outlets, it is their business model.

Re: NoFILTER – free speech blogging app and content on IPFS

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Post by ergot_vacation »

lottin wrote: post #11
cmatthieu wrote: post #2

Welcome to NoFILTER, the unstoppable, uncensorable, undeplatformable freedom of speech app. By design, this app allows you to spread your word without limits. This app and your articles reside on the Interplanetary File System (IPFS), a decentralized mesh network consisting of thousands of user nodes. There is no web server, no database, and no cloud; therefore, making this app and your content unstoppable and undepl…

Out of curiosity, if this app really allows unstoppable and uncensorable posting, how does it deal with DoS attacks?

Despite all the talk IPFS is just voluntary content mirroring. If people feel you're spamming, they'll stop mirroring your shit. Which of course illustrates the worthlessness of the platform for "Anti-censorship" and "Free Speech."
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