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Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by Spivak »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #50
brandon272 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The question now is for how long we will need to keep prevent weakimmune people. Why must a timeline be put on it? The people asking "how long do we need to do this" kind of remind me of the kids in the back seat on a long trip asking every 10 minutes "are we there yet?" It's a global pandemic the likes the which no living generation has witnessed before. No one can tell you the future. Anyone putting a timeline on…

>Why must a timeline be put on it? Because it has completely disrupted our society, and widespread vaccinations have reduced the <1% chance of non-elderly people dying to much lower than that. Many kids have lost more than a year of education. Suicide and depression rates are skyrocketing among people of all age groups. "15 days to flatten the curve" has morphed into, "we must wear masks and stay locked down forever…

Huh? The current situation in most places is be vaccinated or have a negative covid test to go to events with large crowds and wear a mask when indoors. Other than wearing a mask sometimes and showing my vaccine card at concerts life has gone completely back to normal.

The problem with the "personal risk assessment" argument is that you wear masks to protect other people, not yourself. This is a decision that must be made collectively for or against.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by jjeaff »

throwntoday wrote: post #47
jjeaff wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about if people were calling your spouse and kids with death threats? Which is also something that is happening.

If you don't possess some means of defending your family from real threats, you've already failed at your job. I understand HN leans left, but buy guns and learn to use them. The police will not be there to help you when you need it.

That's ridiculous.

Like saying, hey poking that bear is no big deal because I have a gun.

Threats alone are enough to make life miserable. Having an arsenal of guns will be of little comfort to your family.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#54

Post by StanislavPetrov »

Spivak wrote: post #51
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why must a timeline be put on it? Because it has completely disrupted our society, and widespread vaccinations have reduced the <1% chance of non-elderly people dying to much lower than that. Many kids have lost more than a year of education. Suicide and depression rates are skyrocketing among people of all age groups. "15 days to flatten the curve" has morphed into, "we must wear masks and stay locked down forever…

Huh? The current situation in most places is be vaccinated or have a negative covid test to go to events with large crowds and wear a mask when indoors. Other than wearing a mask sometimes and showing my vaccine card at concerts life has gone completely back to normal. The problem with the "personal risk assessment" argument is that you wear masks to protect other people, not yourself. This is a decision that must be…

>Huh? The current situation in most places is be vaccinated or have a negative covid test to go to events with large crowds and wear a mask when indoors. Other than wearing a mask sometimes and showing my vaccine card at concerts life has gone completely back to normal.

Tell that to the tens of millions of children - including pre-schoolers - who are forced to wear masks all day, every day, which greatly inhibits their learning and social development. Further, the fact is that places with "mask" (gauze masks and face covers - not actual N95 masks) mandates have not shown to have lower covid transmission rates than places without such mandates. That's the reality of the situation no matter what the so-called experts say.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#55

Post by throwntoday »

jjeaff wrote: post #53
throwntoday wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't possess some means of defending your family from real threats, you've already failed at your job. I understand HN leans left, but buy guns and learn to use them. The police will not be there to help you when you need it.

That's ridiculous. Like saying, hey poking that bear is no big deal because I have a gun. Threats alone are enough to make life miserable. Having an arsenal of guns will be of little comfort to your family.

That your mind equates speaking freely to poking a bear says a lot. What makes you feel safe? Someone else being paid by your taxes to have the arsenal of guns?

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#56

Post by brandon272 »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #50
brandon272 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The question now is for how long we will need to keep prevent weakimmune people. Why must a timeline be put on it? The people asking "how long do we need to do this" kind of remind me of the kids in the back seat on a long trip asking every 10 minutes "are we there yet?" It's a global pandemic the likes the which no living generation has witnessed before. No one can tell you the future. Anyone putting a timeline on…

>Why must a timeline be put on it? Because it has completely disrupted our society, and widespread vaccinations have reduced the <1% chance of non-elderly people dying to much lower than that. Many kids have lost more than a year of education. Suicide and depression rates are skyrocketing among people of all age groups. "15 days to flatten the curve" has morphed into, "we must wear masks and stay locked down forever…

While this assessment focuses on the “personal risk” side of things (yes, we are all aware that most of us who have been vaccinated should expect nothing more than a bad cold if we end up getting infected with covid), where your assessment falls apart is that it doesn’t take into account public health.

COVID continues to overwhelm healthcare system ICU capacity. It continues to result in an unsustainable level of death and disability among the massive portion of the population that remains unvaccinated.

Where I live, and in other jurisdictions, public health authorities are telling citizens, “Hey, try to avoid getting into a car accident or having a heart attack because our ICU capacity is extremely limited”

So long as these systems are not operating normally, society cannot function as it usually would. And we certainly can’t pretend covid is over because we have lost patience and exacerbate those problems further.

Lastly, your assertion that suicides have increased due to COVID is false. [0][1]

Why are you telling people that?

[0] https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n834 [1] https://sunnybrook.ca/media/item.asp?c=1&i=2306&f=covid-19-s...

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#57

Post by StanislavPetrov »

brandon272 wrote: post #56
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why must a timeline be put on it? Because it has completely disrupted our society, and widespread vaccinations have reduced the <1% chance of non-elderly people dying to much lower than that. Many kids have lost more than a year of education. Suicide and depression rates are skyrocketing among people of all age groups. "15 days to flatten the curve" has morphed into, "we must wear masks and stay locked down forever…

While this assessment focuses on the “personal risk” side of things (yes, we are all aware that most of us who have been vaccinated should expect nothing more than a bad cold if we end up getting infected with covid), where your assessment falls apart is that it doesn’t take into account public health. COVID continues to overwhelm healthcare system ICU capacity. It continues to result in an unsustainable level of dea…

>Lastly, your assertion that suicides have increased due to COVID is false. [0][1]

>Why are you telling people that?

Take it up with the CDC.

>In August, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the results of a nationwide survey conducted during the last week in June: More than 40 percent of those who responded reported symptoms of anxiety or depression or increased substance use, in addition to other struggles. And more than 10 percent said that they had seriously considered suicide in the past 30 days, compared with just over 4 percent who said the same thing in 2018 — and who were referring to suicidal ideation over the previous 12 months.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/magazine/will-the-pandemi...

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

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Post by brandon272 »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #57
brandon272 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this assessment focuses on the “personal risk” side of things (yes, we are all aware that most of us who have been vaccinated should expect nothing more than a bad cold if we end up getting infected with covid), where your assessment falls apart is that it doesn’t take into account public health. COVID continues to overwhelm healthcare system ICU capacity. It continues to result in an unsustainable level of dea…

>Lastly, your assertion that suicides have increased due to COVID is false. [0][1] >Why are you telling people that? Take it up with the CDC. >In August, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the results of a nationwide survey conducted during the last week in June: More than 40 percent of those who responded reported symptoms of anxiety or depression or increased substance use, in addition to other…

That article says nothing about suicides increasing, which was your assertion. In fact, most data, including the data the CDC has available and the studies I referenced above, shows suicides are down, in some cases sharply.

This willingness to spread falsehoods in order to bolster a political view really needs to end.

Nevermind the irony of claiming that it's essential that everyone must stop "living in fear" immediately... which is then substantiated using inaccurate, fear-mongering claims of increased suicides and children experiencing learning and social development delays due to masks.

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#59

Post by nuerow »

ergocoder wrote: post #39
nuerow wrote: post #33

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> Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-unmasked people. Huh? You need to get your story straight. Things are quite simple as easy to understand once you take an honest look at the issue. For instance: * The current generation of COVID-19 vaccines trains the immune system to have a fighting chance against COVID-19 and are effective…

From your reasons, opening school is extremely unsafe since kids cannot be vaccinated. So, what is with the contradictory actions?

> From your reasons, opening in school is extremely unsafe since kids cannot be vaccinated.

Taken from:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/questions-answers/que....

"Most children do not develop symptoms when infected with the virus, or they develop a very mild form of the disease. However, research has shown that children can become infected, and can spread the virus to other children and adults while they are infectious."

Re: For whom do the Covid “fact checkers” work?

#60

Post by schwartzworld »

ergocoder wrote: post #40
nuerow wrote: post #27

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> That is an absurd decision. Your decision is absurd because that was exactly why you chose to set your strawman like that. If you take a step back and force yourself to take a honest and reasonable look at what the OP really said, you'll quickly understand that all caring parents, even when considering that the average children's risk of serious illness is relatively low, do have a high risk aversion regarding thei…

> the average children's risk of serious illness is relatively low There you go. As I mentioned, when pointing out about school reopening, now covid isn't a huge deal. But unvaccinated 20-29 years old is like the biggest deal ever.

Nobody knows what the long-term effects of covid in developing kids could be. I'm not worried about them dying of covid, but having their lives altered.

> But unvaccinated 20-29 years old is like the biggest deal ever

Don't know exactly what you're referring to since all the unvaxxed people I know are old, but it's irresponsible not to get it.

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