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Re: How credit cards make money

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Title should be "How credit cards make money"

I think HN automatically removes "How" from the beginning of titles, on the basis that it's superfluous or clickbait-y or something.

I personally find this confusing, it often changes the meaning of the title IMO.

Re: How credit cards make money

#52
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take it interchange fees is the reason some small stores will not take credit cards for small purchases, and low-margin stores will often not take Amex. Separately, is the "credit score" system a particularly American concept? In the UK the credit report companies will give you a number, but it seems to be something they make up to fill a consumer demand rather than something card issuers actually use. Do you know…

Substantially correct on the first part. In particular, and depends on the region/processor/card brand, many SMBs will have interchange which has a fixed-per-transaction component in addition to a percentage fee, and that can be prohibitive at small "basket" sizes. The U.S. has the world's most developed and widely relied upon credit reporting infrastructure, by a substantial margin. The history of FICO doesn't quite…

>Credit scores per se are less a thing in Japan but there are cross-issuer I-can't-believe-its-not-bureaus which have information sharing agreements, the dominant purpose of them being identifying fraudulent actors and account takeovers rather than credit risk (nearly zero in Japan, historically).

Not debating you but a random reddit commenter says a (pseudo) "credit score" in Japan is implementation and semantics. The CIC, Zengin, and JICC organizations' credit histories data functions very similar to a USA credit score.

https://old.reddit.com/r/japanlife/comments/goy0vv/are_credi...

Re: How credit cards make money

#53

> Debit cards are a very similar product with enough under-the-hood differences that they deserve their own moment in the sun. In particular, due to a quirk of U.S. interchange regulation, they basically fund most of the fintech industry Basically, the Durbin Amendment caps interchange on debit cards at a far, far lower rate than credit cards; they also have different networks (not MC or Visa) that can be run at leas…

The intersection between the people that have random overdrafts and those that just pay off their credit card debt in full every time is the empty set. Why make up excuses for a few rent seekers that tax the entire economy?

Re: How credit cards make money

#54
If you want to learn more about this space, I'd check out Payment Systems in the U.S. [1] which talks about a lot of the history and parties at play here.

It's also fun/interesting to look at the published interchange rates for various classes of commerce. Here's Mastercard's: https://www.mastercard.us/content/dam/public/mastercardcom/n...

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Payments-Systems-U-S-Third-Profession...

Re: How credit cards make money

#55
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this ironic since now days it seems every store has its own credit card. I even have a card from pep boys (and was given a free oil change just to sign up.)

It's because there are white label credit cards that are extremely easy to setup if you're a business and they're so profitable. Not only does the store get a sale upfront which a customer might not have been able to afford without it, they get additional revenue when folks are slow to repay their bill.

The store gets money when customer pays the bank interest?

Re: How credit cards make money

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post #55
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because there are white label credit cards that are extremely easy to setup if you're a business and they're so profitable. Not only does the store get a sale upfront which a customer might not have been able to afford without it, they get additional revenue when folks are slow to repay their bill.

The store gets money when customer pays the bank interest?

Yes, the retailer gets a portion of the interest payment.

Example story mentioning it: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/business/dealbook/retaile...

https://archive.md/kuW2K

Re: How credit cards make money

#58
post #44

> Debit cards are a very similar product with enough under-the-hood differences that they deserve their own moment in the sun. In particular, due to a quirk of U.S. interchange regulation, they basically fund most of the fintech industry Basically, the Durbin Amendment caps interchange on debit cards at a far, far lower rate than credit cards; they also have different networks (not MC or Visa) that can be run at leas…

> You are no longer obsessing over "early payday" features or ACH speeds. Timing ACH payments _sucks_. Tangential, but I'm in a renting situation where my landlord demands rent land in their account on the first of the month. Receiving rent on the 26th (i.e. 5 days early, not 26 days late) was deemed "too confusing" for them. I now have to play this awful game of timing ACH transfers to land on their account as close…

Agreed, luckily RTP rollout is well under way, and it won't be long before ACH is a thing of the past. [1]

[1] https://www.theclearinghouse.org/payment-systems/rtp

Re: How credit cards make money

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post #9

I'm happy to answer any questions or take suggestions for future issues if you have them, HN. Repeating something I've said before: this is the 3rd issue of a weekly newsletter, and its going to come out on every Friday for the foreseeable future. As someone who has spent more than 10 years here, I'm keenly sensitive to HN's desire to not have the front page be as predictable as my new shipping cadence. I'd appreciat…

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