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Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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If you setup the server in the EU why would anyone in US have access to it?

This is such a far departure from where I was hoping the Internet would look like growing up. Makes me sad political borders are now viewed as a feature.

It's a big feature for users who value freedom of speech.

It's laughable that a guy from the EU doesn't get it - their freedom of speech is shit.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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I don't know how to feel about this. One the one hand this is good for sites that needs to be more global. But I mainly build stuff for Europe and I don't want anything to do with USA when storing personal data. I hope they keep the seperation between Europe and US clear.

If you setup the server in the EU why would anyone in US have access to it?

Because some American courts like to think they have jurisdiction everywhere as long as there's a US entity involved

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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I don't know how to feel about this. One the one hand this is good for sites that needs to be more global. But I mainly build stuff for Europe and I don't want anything to do with USA when storing personal data. I hope they keep the seperation between Europe and US clear.

They're saying:

> Hetzner's own team of technicians in Germany provides customer support for the Hetzner Cloud servers in both Europe and Ashburn, VA. See below "How do I contact support?" We hope to soon expand the hours for the support team, and we will make an announcement when this happens.

https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/general/locations/#who-provid...

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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I think the main thing for GDPR is that US based employees should not have access to manage EU datacenters remotely.

Why would an US employee leak personal data just because they’re in the US? It would be a clear violation of employment and probably criminal.

US court says hand over the data. German court says that's illegal to do. Complying is illegal and so is not complying.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Any info on what DC they use? So far they've run everything themselves which made them slower to expand but was much cheaper to run. If they now use other DC providers it would explain why they only offer the higher margin cloud servers there. But would be curious if anyone knows where the data center is physically located. With their other ones they're also quite open about it so I was surprised they didn't mention…

NTT/RagingWire VA1. Here's the details about the sea shipment that was sent from Hetzner Online GmbH in Germany to the US subsidiary: https://www.importgenius.com/importers/hetzner-us

Oh wow, that's really amazing. Thanks for the info!

So they shipped a 40ft container full of servers via ship to the US? That really surprises me, I always thought this kind of equipment was done via air cargo only.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Same, have been a happy Hetzner customer for 8+ years because they've consistently offered the best dedicated server pricing with essentially free (20TB) bandwidth. Unfortunately they're only offering their "Cloud" hosting packages for the time being, so it'll be a while before they start offering dedicated servers. Once they offer dedicated servers in US and a managed RDS service I can finally look at moving off AWS…

Yes! And their support is amazing too. Doing business with Hetzner somehow always feels very different to e.g. Amazon, or the other tech giants. I wonder if it may be related to the general business mentality (Germany vs USA), and not only the company size.

It does. Because "customer is king" mentality is very strong in the US and not so much in Europe.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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I think the main thing for GDPR is that US based employees should not have access to manage EU datacenters remotely.

Why would an US employee leak personal data just because they’re in the US? It would be a clear violation of employment and probably criminal.

So one concern (and it's not just a theoretical concern; it has happened) is that a US court forces the US branch to use access it has to data held by the EU branch to exfiltrate data. Companies with the highest standards on this stuff will want either a pure-EU host or a host structured such that this can't happen.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Naive question: what’s the difference between this and ec2? (I am already running my personal mail and website on an ec2 instance; is there any good reason to switch?)

Hetzner is a fraction of the cost of AWS. A 8vcpu, 16GB RAM instance is 22€ on Hetzner cloud or $148 on AWS. If you have substantial egress traffic the difference becomes even more pronounced.

AWS has a bigger ecosystem of services, and due to AWS's traffic cost you can't cheaply mix-and-match things inside and outside their ecosystem. That's probably the biggest reason to go with EC2.

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