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The metaverse is bullshit

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Re: The metaverse is bullshit

#51

suprised that no one is talking about neosvr[1], even though I don't use it I definitely can see the appeal. They have metaverse in their name. Their avatar system is beyond phenomenal and they keep adding new things [2]. [1] https://neos.com/ [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXdgnQ0cEKU

Wow this is most definitely BS. If that's the future Zuckerborg wants to build, I'll pass, just like I passed on facebook, another stupid idea, now riddled with ads.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

#52
> In a September 2021 Washington Post interview, Tim Sweeney imagined the future of advertising. "A carmaker who wants to make a presence in the metaverse isn't going to run ads," he said. "They're going to drop their car into the world in real time and you'll be able to drive it around. And they're going to work with lots of content creators with different experiences to ensure their car is playable here and there, and that it's receiving the attention it deserves."

You can tell this absolutely makes no sense, because if we're in the metaverse, why the heck am I driving a car around? I can fly, can't I? Or if I can't, I'm going to open up a shop next door that sells metaverse helicopter rides. If I make a vehicle in the metaverse, I'm going add rocket launchers and nos, because that's way more fun than driving a Camry around.

Not to mention, you don't need cupholders in VR, because your avatar doesn't have a stomach. You can't test legroom or the seat cushions, because your avatar doesn't don't have a body. So I don't see how you can realistically sell an actual real-world car, because isn't most of its function and design unnecessary in the metaverse? Heck, I don't need the whole front of the car, because the engine doesn't actually exist.

The whole metaverse idea is based on clunky, outdated metaphors to the real world like this. Someone who saw Ready Player One in theaters thinks that driving a car in VR is cool, without thinking for five more minutes about why it's actually not.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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the good news is that the metaverse and the tech industry's very expensive obsession with trying to make it a reality will be a schadenfreude generator the likes of which we've never seen before The tech landscape is littered with failed attempts, but we have here two very technically successful companies, Epic and Facebook, both trying to re-imagine the internet as something different. I'm not sure I'd write them of…

Exactly. Things are changing and it is not a bad thing if corporates try to be a change. Probably they fail, but even trying is better than doing nothing.

Here’s a thought: maybe corporates will change and may even become obsolete.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

#54
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You join those dots like the arrival of "Avatarism" is something obvious and inevitable, but reading that blog post doesn't give me that idea at all. Instead, it makes me think the author is way, way too deep into a too-long list of very niche technical and sociological obsessions. A quote: What is Avatarism? Avatarism is a movement to recognize and protect the fundamental human right of freedom of form Yeah, except…

You didn’t read my article, or you did, and you aren’t understanding anything I wrote. You do have freedom of form, you are just limited in the forms you can change to. You exercise it every time you get a haircut. The question is about what changes if there are a variety of contexts where it is fair to assume most or all participants have photonic override. You are missing the point: this isn’t about goggles. Take a…

So, this idea of avatarism seems to completely ignore the fact that access to avatars (or technologies that allow "photonic override") will be gatekept by profit-maximizing entities like Apple or Facebook. To me it sounds like just another form of conspicuous consumption where the rich will show off their opulence by buying artisanal avatars (on the blockchain, no doubt) and lording them over the plebs. To see this in action today look at any gacha game, where access to the best characters requires spending tons of money. For an entity like Facebook, this probably sounds great - a new revenue stream! But some kind of new "freedom" it ain't, at least not for the majority of the world's population.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

#56
What "they" are after, but aren't saying, is simstim. What gibson already knew is... that shit is for meat toys.

I don't doubt it's coming. It's close. In my lifetime? Maybe.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

#57
The huge excitement of the WEF for the metaverse makes me think this is the Internet this group of billionaires really wanted. The closed controlled platform with a single private corporation running the whole thing. Feels like a Richard Stallman dystopia.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/10/facebook-meta-what-is...

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

#58
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zuckerberg sees that anime fans and furries love spending time on VRchat and he wants to build it out for fans of football and the Kardashians. People that buy Louis Vuitton are going to shell out for NFT metaverse skins and wear dorky headsets. That totally tracks.

I have no idea what's going to happen, but computers used to be a thing for "nerds", now everybody uses them every day.

The nerd move on to nerd out the next big things. Nerds by definition find a niche to stand out and life goes on...

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Metaverse will be bullshit up until avatarism arrives, then it will be boring and normal. But people like this will still be very confused and upset about what is happening. (Maybe I will too.) The first mainstream passthrough AR device that can stitch out and replace humans will be an eye opener for many people. This will happen next year. Most likely at least Meta and Apple’s will do this. And probably a few others…

I wonder, will they do this while simultaneously broadcasting my real name (as per RealName policies)?

If Facebook insist on real names, I could see a competing or federated metaverse making inroads by protecting identity.
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