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Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by jokethrowaway »

ChemSpider wrote: post #9

Technical issues aside, the EU Green pass is a gigantic success. Super easy travel across Europe and all other participating countries.

Are we travelling in the same continent?

Travel is a huge PITA in Europe. Tons of different ever changing regulations, not to mention expensive tests from tons of unreliable newly-sprung companies with little reputation. I had to book tests in advance and sometimes on returns. It's a massive pain and tourism was heavily impacted.

I wish the government would pay for this stupid bureaucracy instead it's small businesses which are going to die.

The US implemented it correctly: you're vaccinated -> you can travel without hassle.

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by jokethrowaway »

toyg wrote: post #43
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, just 14 days to flatten the curve.

If everyone had locked down hard in those fateful months of last year, like China did, we wouldn't be here. But we didn't, and so we are here.

There is evidence that the virus in China was leaked earlier than we think, so their lockdown was pretty tardive as well. There are also doubts on the number of deaths reported by China (according to CNN, which is pretty pro China).

People had antibodies in the states in December 19 according to the CDC. This also matches some anecdotal accounts from a girl on instagram that claimed her family had COVID in 2019 in the States after a visit from China.

We probably didn't notice because COVID mortality is pretty low.

Containing such an easily transmissible virus is also pretty much close impossible, no amount of lockdown would have killed it.

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by jokethrowaway »

mrtksn wrote: post #33
wait_a_minute wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When are the participating countries going to get rid of it? When is the pandemic over?

The virus didn't gave us an ETA of its demise. It will probably stay longer than ideal since not every country in the Europe has high vaccination rates as Portugal. It's seriously puzzling to see he immense belief in the governments power. How on earth one can demand a specific day for removal of management tools against the natural processes?

It's not about the virus disappearing, it's about governments accepting that people die of diseases and COVID is just another one.

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by jokethrowaway »

sschueller wrote: post #6
etothepii wrote: post #4

And there are those that want to move our entire fiat money system on to digital ledgers. I'll pass thanks.

Who says the feds system can't be hacked and extra money couldn't be created? It's one central authority, crypto doesn't have to be.

It's because the feds are already the biggest thieves in the world, they already created 40% of all dollars in the last 12 months - they don't fear small competitors.

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by mrtksn »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #53
mrtksn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The virus didn't gave us an ETA of its demise. It will probably stay longer than ideal since not every country in the Europe has high vaccination rates as Portugal. It's seriously puzzling to see he immense belief in the governments power. How on earth one can demand a specific day for removal of management tools against the natural processes?

It's not about the virus disappearing, it's about governments accepting that people die of diseases and COVID is just another one.

I spoke to the government, they concur. People in fact die from diseases that are not limited to Covid-19. What now?

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by gaius_baltar »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #5
bilekas wrote: post #3

In the original article, the picture shows exactly how the internet would react : https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/tecnologia/software_app/202... By generating Adolf Hitlers GreenPass ..

>By generating Adolf Hitlers GreenPass .. TBH that is pretty hitlarious :) Though it could get you in trouble in Austria and Germany.

When a German security team discovered problems with vaccination certificates, they generated a card for Robert Koch [0]. Really better way to demonstrate the vulnerability without offending people.

[0] https://www.dw.com/en/security-flaws-uncovered-in-eu-vaccina...

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by [deleted] »

radicalbyte wrote: post #13

I am part of the team working on the EU-DCC, and am very active in the community (we're a proper open source project). I cannot comment on this myself, but it looks like my health ministry has: https://nos.nl/liveblog/2403253-ook-in-duitsland-stijgt-aant...

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Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by hagbard_c »

ho_schi wrote: post #16
ChemSpider wrote: post #9

Technical issues aside, the EU Green pass is a gigantic success. Super easy travel across Europe and all other participating countries.

It is a success for the European Union. Not for the Europeans! I'm vaccinated and prefer to be around vaccinated people. Because of health? Yes. But also because of the mindset of people. But why is it not a success for Europeans? We had super easy travel before Covid - no borders - free settlement, travel and work. You've just carry your ID with you. Regarding the stolen keys? I'm afraid similar things will happen a…

> I'm vaccinated and prefer to be around vaccinated people. Because of health? Yes. But also because of the mindset of people

- I'm well-trained and prefer to be around well-trained people

- I'm classically educated and prefer to be around classically educated people

- I'm an atheist and prefer to be around atheists

- I'm Christian and prefer to be around Christians

- I'm Hindu and prefer to be around Hindus

- I'm Muslim and prefer to be around Muslims

- I'm vegetarian and prefer to be around vegetarians

- I'm anarchist and prefer to be around anarchists

- I'm and prefer to be around

Notice the segregated society this attitude creates? Now look in some history books - real ones, not political propaganda pieces - and see how this type of us-versus-them society tends to end up.

I'm vaccinated and I don't give a damn about whether people around me are vaccinated or not. I'm atheist and like to mingle with Christians, Hindus, Muslims and what have you. I'm left-handed and still willing to shake your hand (remember that, shaking hands?). I'm open to the world, not just to my own in-group. I might not agree with many of the doctrines of those Muslims nor some of those Christians or Hindus, I might sometimes be annoyed at how utensils are tailored to right-handed people but I'm not going to segregate myself into an atheist, left-handed, classically educated, ... group just because of such trivial quibbles.

Also, SARS2 is not a big threat to vaccinated people. Why the hysteria? Did you act this way during one of the influenza pandemics? If not, then why treat this disease differently?

Re: EU Green Pass-generation keys stolen

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Post by jkaplowitz »

chitowneats wrote: post #35
jkaplowitz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't limit travel - those decisions are still made by each country individually with some guidance from the EU. The EU does not have control over what COVID entry requirements a country sets, beyond making recommendations. All the document and its regulation do is say, "if you impose entry requirements based on vaccination / testing / recovery, you must accept at least these types of vaccines / tests / recovery…

Sure. I've edited my comment to indicate that the application "eases" the limiting of movement of people within the EU. It serves no other purpose.

It doesn't ease the limiting of movement though - it actually restricts the ability of countries within the EU to limit movement, easing the movement itself. If the EU had taken no action to create the EU DCC and the associated regulation, countries would be freer to limit movement than they are now.
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