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Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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Maybe the correct response to unconstitutional, secret warrants is to refuse to comply, maybe even refuse to respond? It's not clear to me what would happen next but I can't imagine Pichai would be arrested. Maybe a datacenter would be raided (could FBI even guess where this data might be physically located?) but at least then some public action would have to happen and break the secrecy.

Pichai certainly could be arrested for refusing to comply with warrants and court orders.

In principle, by the letter and spirit of the law (bad as it is in this case), sure. In practice, I very much doubt anyone would dare arrest someone with Sundar Pichai's money and social standing for anything less than murder or insider trading basically.

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

#53

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Pichai certainly could be arrested for refusing to comply with warrants and court orders.

In principle, by the letter and spirit of the law (bad as it is in this case), sure. In practice, I very much doubt anyone would dare arrest someone with Sundar Pichai's money and social standing for anything less than murder or insider trading basically.

I don't think so.

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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Anyone else finding themselves wanting to go to Google and try all these searches?

just make a google search link go viral "you won't believe what the government doesn't want you to know!!" and every boomer and their mother is now a person of interest

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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The government and Google are symbiotic entities. Why would this ever happen?

Not even close. This sort of rhetoric just numbs people to actual abuses when they happen. If you want to see actual symbiotic entities, go look at social media in China or American defense contractors.

What's the difference? Sam must have invested in Google before 2005. At least that was the time it became somewhat apparent

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

#56

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You're talking about the "tank man" that was safely escorted out of the scene without getting harmed? What about him? https://youtu.be/qq8zFLIftGk

The only people killed where unarmed soldiers, that where burned alive by protesters.

Even the official CCP numbers disagree with you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

> On June 19, Beijing Party Secretary Li Ximing reported to the Politburo that the government's confirmed death toll was 241, including 218 civilians (of which 36 were students), 10 PLA soldiers, and 13 People's Armed Police, along with 7,000 wounded.

But the actual number of deaths is likely much higher.

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

#57

Maybe the correct response to unconstitutional, secret warrants is to refuse to comply, maybe even refuse to respond? It's not clear to me what would happen next but I can't imagine Pichai would be arrested. Maybe a datacenter would be raided (could FBI even guess where this data might be physically located?) but at least then some public action would have to happen and break the secrecy.

The recent documents made public have shown that google doesn't give a shit about moral integrity. What makes you think that they would put themselves at risk for some kind of non-monetary public good?

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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I would love for this to be viable. But I can't help but think there are all sorts of ways for our intelligence agencies to ruin a person's life for not complying. I'm not even suggesting some kind of spy-novel intrigue, you can just tell them to comply or they'll drag you and your company through the mud until they get what they want. Imagine taking a principled stand and then suddenly having your life examined unde…

Just remember Qwest and Joseph Nacchio. It's entirely plausible he was crooked, but he also claimed the NSA backed out of a deal with Qwest and then the insider trading charges showed up after he refused to comply with their (illegal) requests to spy on their customers.

“Show me the man and I'll show you the crime” was Beria's infamous boast. He served as deputy premier from 1941 until Stalin's death in 1953 ...

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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I mean yea, everything you do at work in a defense contractor is keylogged. They don't need to ask Google, they know what you're doing on their network.

He said he did it from home though. I always wondered if he was making it up or not, but this was the Bush era (not that that much has changed).

VPN or company managed device? Seems like something a vaguely savvy user would keep in mind though.

Re: Feds order Google to track people searching certain names or details

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I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but I would bet SCOTUS rules this kind of warrant illegal. Google certainly has the resources to take the case that far.

AFAIK a warrant usually is tied to a specific person or a specific crime. In other words, if an explosion killed Harry McHarryface, then it would be constitutional to ask for names of people who searched for Harry.

Or if the fertilizer used in the bomb was shown to have been purchased on March 10, then maybe a search for "fertilizer" in the weeks before March 10 would be allowed.

But not a generic search.

Just my opinion that's not legal advice.

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