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People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by _8j50 »

almost_usual wrote: post #25
oblak wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does alcohol make you fat? I don't think I've met a fat alcoholic. Must be something else

Beer alcoholics can be fat, hard liquor not gonna happen.

Depends on how many calories you burn.

If calorie intake is 1 and calorie burn is also 1, you have 0 surplus calories. Let's say you have 1 extra calorie (keeping it simple) , the source is important. Alcohol > sugar > oil > bread/carb foods > veggies/fiber,etc... in terms of how much of that 1 cal your body can extract and convert to fat for long term storage.

I wish there was diet alcohol lol.

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by treeman79 »

Drinking has been a major problem in my family history. So I almost never did. I did notice this weird trend where when I did drink (lightly) my brain fog would clear up.

Many years later I discover that I have a genetic clotting disorder. Blood thinners will quickly fix my severe brain fog.

I use a mix of prescription ones or even just aspirin now.

But I think a lot of my family drink to clear there heads.

My pet theory anyway.

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by tibbydudeza »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #28
oblak wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does alcohol make you fat? I don't think I've met a fat alcoholic. Must be something else

Each beer is like 300 to 400 calories. And then you eat bar food when you're drunk which is not known as the worlds healthiest.

Took me a few days to realize why the huge salty pretzels were "free" at the German bar.

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Post by stopnamingnuts »

Anybody who finds this interesting and is interested in an entire community dedicated to this perspective may also take a look at reddit.com/r/stopdrinking.

Its non-opinionated, decentralized but moderated (pun unintended) discussion was a huge help when I quit drinking five years ago.

I'll just add that my path lined up with others who have commented here. Once it dawned on me that it was a crutch, and not just for fun, it felt like time to put it aside and do some work on myself.

However a series of steps or exploring a higher power wasn't what I felt worked for me. /r/StopDrinking turned out to be that sweet spot.

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by p1mrx »

I think it would benefit society if we could s/alcohol/cannabis/g in the public consciousness. Vaporized flower or edibles seem ideal, because combustion creates a variety of questionable chemicals and local pollution.

A subset of the population will always be looking for some way to escape reality, but the top 2 (alcohol and tobacco) have relatively disastrous health effects.

Granted, anyone who's fine with reality as-is should be encouraged to stay the course.

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Post by meowkit »

nitrogen wrote: post #42
Darmody wrote: post #39

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The model I use to think of it is that drugs steal life energy from your future and give it to you in the present. I've never seen it this way but it makes a lot of sense. It's just the opposite of making sacrifices today for a better tomorrow (like studying, practising sports, etc).

Sometimes borrowing from the future is desirable, if done carefully. In my case, with naturally delayed sleep cycles even without artificial lighting, caffeine lets me take some of that night-time energy and shift it to the day. It's a wasteful conversion, but necessary in the modern world.

Agreed is can be desirable. An example for readers: This is the fundamental basis of financial credit. Pull from the future to improve the present.

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Post by convolvatron »

almost_usual wrote: post #36
friedman23 wrote: post #33

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whiskey has 70 calories in an ounce, you can absolutely get fat from hard liquor, the only liquor that wont get you fat is the disgusting kind

They’re probably not an alcoholic. Hard liquor alcoholics throw up, have diarrhea, and struggle to eat. Chances of getting fat increase if you’re drinking 15-20 beers a day.

real alcoholics don't throw up. they do struggle to eat. in fact its pretty usual to to forget, or just not.

when I quit drinking I was _appalled_ at how much I had to eat. probably twice what I had been. and I lost quite a bit of weight.

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by ksaj »

aerojoe23 wrote: post #32

What about the whole correlation does not equal causation thing? Given: They're saying they drink to deal with their symptoms. The symptoms get worse when they drink. The study concludes: Drinking makes it worse. But the other option is: Their symptoms would have been even worse without the drinking. I'm not saying hypothesis is correct, just that the article didn't mention the study addressing it. Unless I missed it…

It could be that drinking delays eventually handling the problem. Many problems grow when ignored, which is to say that delay is the actual problem. In this case, it is perhaps encouraged and even exacerbated by chronic drunkenness, versus something else like ADHD or cognitive decline.

Debt is a good example of that, because of interest and potential fines that increase the longer payments get delayed.

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by nickthemagicman »

oblak wrote: post #47
nickthemagicman wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each beer is like 300 to 400 calories. And then you eat bar food when you're drunk which is not known as the worlds healthiest.

Having shit food afterwards is alcohol's fault? Sounds like fat people blaming anything but themselves.

Yeah seriously people should eat more of the celery and salad options at bars when they're smashed out of their mind.
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