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‘The Billion Dollar Code’: Developers Who Sued Over Google Earth Algorithm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking it's funny the literal globe interface you use and then this knob you turn that's held by this arm.

> knob you turn That's a 6-dof spacemouse, still widely used today in CAD and 3d modeling.

It always makes me laugh that the ship controls in The Expanse are literally one of these things.

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post #6

Er... it's not entirely clear, but apparently the infringement claim was based on "the ability to zoom from the globe graphic all the way down to a particular neighborhood"?! So something a mildly talented programmer could come up with in (generously estimated) 1-2 days tops? And sure it looks cool, but claiming this animation is original enough to be patentable is stretching it a bit...

Is this what you imagine? ``` import gis gis.renderGlobe() ``` the actual tiling logic, data storage requirements, performant rendering in something like a shitty 1990s browser... I don't think you have an appreciation for the difficulty of bootstrapping this ex nihilo .

Well, the article (more or less) says that it ran on an SGI workstation (some photos are available here: https://artcom.de/en/?project=terravision), of course it would have been impossible in a 1990s browser. What I actually wanted to say was that, while the technical feat of programming something like this in the nineties is certainly something to be proud of, I still think that the basic idea of zooming in from orbit to a certain section of the globe is too obvious to be patentable - and from a purely mathematical point of view (ignoring things like levels of detail of 3D models, memory limitations, the actual 3D programming etc.) the signature zooming-in animation from Google Earth (which apparently was also present in Terravision) is not that complicated to implement either.

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post #17

Started watching the show, it is way too dramatized but still interesting. The actual demo of Terravision is indeed mind blowing if you remember how powerful computers in 1994 were: http://www.joachimsauter.com/img/big693.mp4

That didn't run on a PC, it ran on Onyx servers, which had over 10 graphic processors.

We ended up taking our Onyxes, years later and turning them into fish tanks. I miss those days.

Re: ‘The Billion Dollar Code’: Developers Who Sued Over Google Earth Algorithm

#54
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking it's funny the literal globe interface you use and then this knob you turn that's held by this arm.

> knob you turn That's a 6-dof spacemouse, still widely used today in CAD and 3d modeling.

https://youtu.be/AX7yS4q6kZY

What an interesting input device.

Re: ‘The Billion Dollar Code’: Developers Who Sued Over Google Earth Algorithm

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If you understand German and like 4 hour long podcasts, Tim Pritlove just released a CRE episode about Terravision where he speaks with Pavel Mayer: https://cre.fm/cre222-terravision

(I haven't seen The Billion Dollar Code or listened to the podcast yet, but apparently the character Juri is (loosely?) based on Pavel: https://twitter.com/pavel23/status/1447622978859061252 )

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post #55

If you understand German and like 4 hour long podcasts, Tim Pritlove just released a CRE episode about Terravision where he speaks with Pavel Mayer: https://cre.fm/cre222-terravision (I haven't seen The Billion Dollar Code or listened to the podcast yet, but apparently the character Juri is (loosely?) based on Pavel: https://twitter.com/pavel23/status/1447622978859061252 )

This.

Re: ‘The Billion Dollar Code’: Developers Who Sued Over Google Earth Algorithm

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I worked on Google Earth for a while, some years ago. It doesn't really make sense to talk about it in the way the article (and presumably movie) does. There are lots of "algorithms" in Google Earth which are critical to its operation. Probably the biggest unsung algorithmic hero of GE is the image processing and serving pipeline. The actual client tech itself was largely worked out by the time Keyhole was bought (he…

Thanks for the additional context!

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post #6

Er... it's not entirely clear, but apparently the infringement claim was based on "the ability to zoom from the globe graphic all the way down to a particular neighborhood"?! So something a mildly talented programmer could come up with in (generously estimated) 1-2 days tops? And sure it looks cool, but claiming this animation is original enough to be patentable is stretching it a bit...

So easy! Why didn't they just import it into Unity???!!! Thats you.

Re: ‘The Billion Dollar Code’: Developers Who Sued Over Google Earth Algorithm

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I largely skimmed through the series, but the way this portrays the german hacker scene while simultaneously appearing to advocate for software patents feels very strange.

The series portrays these guys as the heroes, but in reality they just seem to be patent trolls who fortunately lost.

A lot of really cool retro tech stuff to spot though, they certainly weren’t lazy with this even if the politics of it seem weird.

Re: ‘The Billion Dollar Code’: Developers Who Sued Over Google Earth Algorithm

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post #17

Started watching the show, it is way too dramatized but still interesting. The actual demo of Terravision is indeed mind blowing if you remember how powerful computers in 1994 were: http://www.joachimsauter.com/img/big693.mp4

> Started watching the show, it is way too dramatized but still interesting. I don't mind dramatization, but 4.5h seems quite steep for such a simple video that seems like it could be covered in a 20m Youtube video. Do you have a rough review if you ended up watching more of it if it's just really dragged on or actually contains a lot of content?

If you just want the tech stuff, it's very sparse but I greatly enjoyed the connection between the two protagonists.

It was also a nice way of teaching my wife about what the world of computers was like in the 90's.

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