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Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by sjustinas »

gigglesupstairs wrote: post #46
mmcdermott wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source game development remains light, but Wine works better now than at any time in the past. I installed a game that had a Linux release that blew up on ALSA libraries. The ultimate fix was to install the Windows version over Wine.

Does Steam work in Wine?

The Steam client works natively on Linux. It ships its own version of Wine, called Proton and many games work well. They are doing lots of work to get the remaining games working in preparation for the launch of Steam Deck.

https://www.protondb.com/

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by Mikeb85 »

gigglesupstairs wrote: post #46
mmcdermott wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source game development remains light, but Wine works better now than at any time in the past. I installed a game that had a Linux release that blew up on ALSA libraries. The ultimate fix was to install the Windows version over Wine.

Does Steam work in Wine?

Steam Proton is the way to do it now.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by vasergen »

My setup for last 3 years is Ubuntu with i3wm (gaps) and NIX as a package manager. I keep Ubuntu as it is, just upgrade OS packages from time to time. All custom setup goes to nix package manager. This way I have more flexibility there and up to date tools that I use. I have all dependencies in a repo, so can quickly spin-up the same desktop environment in another computer if needed, as an example I do it between my personal and work laptop. This is preatty handy and I don't feel any difference switching between computers.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by nullspace »

vladev wrote: post #36
aborsy wrote: post #12

Over a decade of Ubuntu use, could not be happier! I remember in 2000s, I had to edit /etc/ text files to set up internet etc. Nowadays everything works out of box. All sorts of peripherals and hardware is recognized automatically. High quality free open source software is available for most stuff I need. The freedom to choose software and customize Linux, if required, is amazing! Am I missing anything ignoring close…

You'll be surprised, but it's RedHat that made most of that happen. A lot of the important Linux projects are developed mostly by them - Gnome, Wayland, NetworkManager, Pipewire, flatpak, etc. Ubuntu, on the other hand, seem to like to do many things their way. Like aggressive patching. I recall fontconfig being heavily patched from upstream. Then we have Mir (now almost abandoned), Unity (abandoned), snap (flatpak,…

I get annoyed when I see posts like this with revisionist history.

I can't comment on everything but:

> Unity (abandoned)

You probably don't recall how bad Gnome 3 was initially, and how much better Unity was over Gnome 2. Sure it also had its issues in the beginning, but it took a really long time for Gnome 3 to catch up.

> snap (flatpak, done differently, not yet abandoned :).

I am pretty sure flatpak didn't exist when snap was announced. Or it was around the same time.

Given the above two, I'd place very little credence on the rest of your points. I agree with the Mir situation to some extent, but look at how long wayland has taken to ship.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by underscore_ku »

beefjerkins wrote: post #28
aborsy wrote: post #12

Over a decade of Ubuntu use, could not be happier! I remember in 2000s, I had to edit /etc/ text files to set up internet etc. Nowadays everything works out of box. All sorts of peripherals and hardware is recognized automatically. High quality free open source software is available for most stuff I need. The freedom to choose software and customize Linux, if required, is amazing! Am I missing anything ignoring close…

Out of interest, have you tried other distributions? Perhaps Debian based like Linux Mint / Pop OS, or others like Manjaro? What keeps you using Ubuntu after all these years?

Mint and Pop are Ubuntu based

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by encryptluks2 »

After using Ubuntu for a couple years, I switched to Arch and never even think about going back. Ubuntu is great for people new to Linux, but it is like buying a new PC. Some people know very little about computers, so they just get an HP or Dell. Then once you start learning about graphics cards, SSDs, cooling, processors, etc... You either build your own or buy one with the components you actually want. That is why I use Arch.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by techrat »

gigglesupstairs wrote: post #46
mmcdermott wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source game development remains light, but Wine works better now than at any time in the past. I installed a game that had a Linux release that blew up on ALSA libraries. The ultimate fix was to install the Windows version over Wine.

Does Steam work in Wine?

From my experience:

Linux > Steam > Proton > Windows Game

works better than

Linux > Wine > Steam > Windows Game

There's really no reason to be running Steam in Wine when Steam runs natively within Linux and Proton does the work for you for each individual game.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by Isthatablackgsd »

TekMol wrote: post #41
Isthatablackgsd wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Desktop Environments is what they meant (GNOME, Unity, other variants). If your desktop look like similarly to the image you posted, the soft black vertical bar on the far left side of the screen is the taskbar. I think you are using Unity as your DE which is default DE for Ubuntu. You can change to different DE if Unity is not your liking. There is a couple variants you can use, you can find them in the package mana…

I thought the vertical left bar is a "dock". It does not display the titles of the open windows and does not let me arrange the entries. That are the two problems I described. It feels like this is meant to be used on a mobile device rather than on a desktop. On a desktop it makes me way less productive compared to a normal taskbar.

It is the same thing, all OS taskbar does not always behave similarly. That is Unity DE unfortunately, they are trying to "Fisher-Price" everything in there.

If you want a better taskbar/dock, try different DE and see how you like it.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by JonathanBeuys »

airstrike wrote: post #47

I loved Ubuntu around 2007-2009 or so. Nowdays it feels like there are plenty of alternative distros that "just work" without so many of the idiosyncratic stuff canonical keeps dumping into what used to be "debian for the masses" > As Linux evangelist Mark Pilgrim once quipped, Ubuntu "is an ancient African word meaning 'can't install Debian'". https://www.theregister.com/2009/02/16/debian_lenny_review/

Debian has a strange approach to security these days.

There are over 100 unpatched vurnurabilities in their version of Chromium for example:

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/s...

Because of this, I don't see debian as an option for the Desktop anymore.

I hope they still fix the server software in their repos.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by rlpb »

capableweb wrote: post #40
rlpb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder why Ubuntu/Canonical can never get their upgrade game to work properly. Ubuntu developer here. Sounds like you have a really hacked up system there, and that it's your existing system that has issues. Under these circumstances, I don't think it's reasonable to expect an upgrade to be able to work smoothly. Scripts that handle upgrade paths necessarily need to make assumptions that what they are upgrading f…

I wouldn't expect nothing less than being blamed by Ubuntu developers for a hacked up system, even though I barely described anything. Thanks for giving me another reason to leave the Ubuntu ecosystem behind me. The condescending tone that your message has seems to be relatively popular in the Ubuntu/Canonical community as well, at least compared to NixOS.

You described third party repositories and mismatching Python versions. That is a hacked up system, by definition.
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