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FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by dncornholio »

tephra wrote: post #39
vultour wrote: post #2

Sales of games like this always amazed me. It seems like every year somebody tweaks a yaml config with the player details and hits build - voilà brand new game is out, time to shell out another $60.

I'm a somewhat frequent player. While yes player updates are a part of it there's is more. Firstly players and rosters usually gets updates throughout, so if I open my FIFA 21 now it would certainly update rosters. In new titles usually we'll get some new leagues (nice for people who wants to play a team/league in their country). IIRC in FIFA 22 you can create your own team now (waited for that one for a long time).…

All your comments validate the parents post though. Nothing but yaml and UI tweaks :)

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by Retric »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #43
Retric wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putting FIFA on the box is clearly covered by trademark law. I was questioning how much of protection does player statistics have. At least in the US factual information like who’s playing in which team isn’t protected by copyright or trademark.

It's not their stats that have protection, it's their likeness and names that require a license to use. Several games in the past have featured real rosters with fake names to get around this.

Likeness presumably, but fantasy football doesn’t run into a problem with player names. So while companies would get sued over names it seems like they would also likely win.

That said, graphics are at a point where player likeness is meaningful as is team jerseys. So customers would presumably prefer the licensed product.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by vasco »

raverbashing wrote: post #29
pg_bot wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EA is chump change compared to world football. They've got no leverage, and despite the dislike for FIFA everywhere, a power struggle between the two with EA casting itself as the righteous party will only invite backlash. You sure about that? EA's revenue for the last fiscal year was 5.6 billion dollars. FIFA's revenue for the last 4 years is about equal to that dollar amount. There's a lot more money in video gam…

Monetary size doesn't matter in this case. In the least Do you think, in a (more moral than financial) dispute between EA and NBA who would win? It's like that but x10 Most people don't even know who EA is, they just want to play FIFA.

Pretty much every kid that has ever played FIFA knows and repeats the "EA sports - it's in the game" blurb so I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of EA.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by dncornholio »

Keyframe wrote: post #12

I don't think EA would lapse the license. Too much Tencent going on around the block to risk it. This might be a negotiation maneuver.

It definitely is. FIFA knows they're missing out on money big time. EA just published this to create leverage from their customers.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by criley2 »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #50
criley2 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Do you prefer Ivanka or Hunter flavours of corruption? Such a dishonest comparison. One was nepotistically involved in day to day operations of the American government, put into diplomatic situations in an official capacity, even attempted to be named World Bank President. The other is completely divorced from politics and uses his name to sell artwork This kind of false equivalence does great service to the worst-o…

> used to sell artwork Yes, and only artwork, definitely not influence. The person responsible for anticorruption efforts, and rooting out any sophisticated, foreign disruptive agents’ access to the White House, by rejecting “abnormal” bids, is a New York art dealer named Georges Bergès. He seems reputable enough, right?

The idea that loser Hunter can sell "influence" into a White House that he has no role in, no influence in, and is actively kept from, is rank propaganda.

Hunter serves this government in no capacity, official or otherwise, and has no ability to "sell influence".

Ironically, anyone dealing with Hunter is black listed from the White House, as being around that loser is a red flag that slams doors shut in your face.

Which of course is far different than say over 20 different foreign governments renting hotel rooms (that they don't show up for, just to transfer funds) from the President's son, who dutifully reports back to the White House to help set access to the President himself...

This false equivalence is an extremely powerful tool to control people.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by that_guy_iain »

300bps wrote: post #36
that_guy_iain wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I am not sure who is more disliked. FIFA or EA.

I’m sure there are a lot of people my age that remember EA extremely fondly for the things they did decades ago. M.U.L.E. and Seven Cities of Gold and Archon and many others were the best games some of us grew up on. I haven’t been involved in gaming except for the 2 I occasionally play with my kids so I’m blissfully unaware of anything EA has done recently. But back then, they were really amazing. https://www.euroga…

Personally, I remember them screwing up Westwood games or what feels like them screwing up Westwood games.

It feels like they totally ruined:

* C&C * Theme Park (entire theme franchise, theme hospital too) * Dungeon Keeper

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by [deleted] »

lcnmrn wrote: post #41
ksec wrote: post #38

You now have to paid FIFA, every single team in the European League, and Champion League for using their name, logos, colour of their shirt. etc etc. Extra money for having big name player faces for marketing on the box or graphics as well as their 3D face modelling appearing in their game. How much of that $60 you are paying actually goes to the game and not some licensing? I am not against licensing fees per se, bu…

We need a street football (soccer) game and procedural generated stadiums, players, teams. OpenAI can contribute a top engine to an open source game.

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Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Retric wrote: post #52
boomboomsubban wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not their stats that have protection, it's their likeness and names that require a license to use. Several games in the past have featured real rosters with fake names to get around this.

Likeness presumably, but fantasy football doesn’t run into a problem with player names. So while companies would get sued over names it seems like they would also likely win. That said, graphics are at a point where player likeness is meaningful as is team jerseys. So customers would presumably prefer the licensed product.

Fantasy football is dealing in statistics. Using a persons name in your game implies they endorse your game, the players associations manage this stuff pretty closely.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by _v7gu »

criley2 wrote: post #33
harry8 wrote: post #3

Such a good opportunity for EA to mount an Anti-FIFA corruption campaign in game. Mess with some trade rules. Images of Sep Blatter bathing in the rain of cash at the press conference. Force players to choose between FI-FI-FA legacy league and the new hotness. FIFA are corrupt from top to bottom. EA have a direct channel to a huge slab of their market to tear the FIFA politicians with their snouts in the trough a new…

>Do you prefer Ivanka or Hunter flavours of corruption? Such a dishonest comparison. One was nepotistically involved in day to day operations of the American government, put into diplomatic situations in an official capacity, even attempted to be named World Bank President. The other is completely divorced from politics and uses his name to sell artwork This kind of false equivalence does great service to the worst-o…

I am quite upset about the war ending in the worst way possible. You talk like the war in Afghanistan "ending" was a good thing probably because you get to live far, far away from yet another region destabilised by US hands. Joe thought Afghans were too dumb to understand backwards induction, and put a nice islamic state over there. Military industry would sure be mad about the existence of new righteous wars to be fought over there.

Re: FIFA seeks $1B+ (per 4 years) from EA for name usage

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Post by Retric »

dagi3d wrote: post #37
Retric wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure player names and statistics are actually protected though. So it’s more 250m/year to get access to branding like team logos, FIFA on the box, etc.

There must be something about the names as well too. The names used in PES were a continuous joke: https://www.theversed.com/51686/pro-evo-names-years/#.LcxSir...

Players definitely trademark their names, but fantasy football leagues don’t have a problem using their real names.

So while I suspect having the correct number on an in game jersey might run into issues simply linking team names, player names, and player statistics is just factual information.

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