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Re: Nvidia releases Alias-Free GAN code and pre-trained models, naming it StyleGAN3

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Post by wruza »

metagame wrote: post #5
throwaway889900 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody will be able to tell if you stick it in a tiny thumbnail and give it enough jpeg artifacts.

Computer-generated artifacts are non-copyrightable. This is not the problem. (That said, as the law is written, no binary should be, but we already threw that baby out with the bathwater.) The problem is that the software is not free software, but encourages you to stop using its free predecessors and competition sneakily.

Or it’s just a paranoia and they plan to license this to non-free use after a period of testing, leaving non-commercial use for those who want to play with it. That is basically what every non-free software does except the commercial support is not yet provided.

Also, I second the question about free predecessors/competition, not to argue or compare, but out of pure curiosity.

Re: Nvidia releases Alias-Free GAN code and pre-trained models, naming it StyleGAN3

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Post by feanaro »

xg15 wrote: post #48
captainmuon wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's important to see this sort of thing happening more and more. Why? If we insist on the authenticity of images, this is holding on to the old status quo in the same way we apply book and record copyright to digital content. We don't allow what the tech enables to the fullest, but we restrict it by pressing it into the old mold (e.g. by using DRM to make music a commodity). I think "photographic proof" is a histo…

> but I believe society will adapt quickly What gives you this impression? How exactly do you believe society would adapt?

The same way it worked before it had the ability to take pictures.

Re: Nvidia releases Alias-Free GAN code and pre-trained models, naming it StyleGAN3

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Post by captainmuon »

xg15 wrote: post #48
captainmuon wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's important to see this sort of thing happening more and more. Why? If we insist on the authenticity of images, this is holding on to the old status quo in the same way we apply book and record copyright to digital content. We don't allow what the tech enables to the fullest, but we restrict it by pressing it into the old mold (e.g. by using DRM to make music a commodity). I think "photographic proof" is a histo…

> but I believe society will adapt quickly What gives you this impression? How exactly do you believe society would adapt?

Well, I mean we coped before we had cameras, right? In a sense, we would go back to that. We would have to rely more on witnesses we trust than on evidence.

One point of postmodernism is that often the facts (as in what happened when exactly) don't matter as much as the narrative (Unless you are a historian or a scientist). I think this is true to some extent, but we delude ourselves that only the facts matter. And then we can be manipulated by the narrative. It might be interesting to make the narrative explicit.

Imagine a politician that is exposed to a scandal with an old sex tape. This could ruin their carreer, no matter how good their work is otherwise. But if the tape becomes degraded to mere hearsay - maybe it happened, maybe it didn't - then it is about which image we want to believe. Then the sex tape is one narrative, the campaign is another narrative, and the only concrete thing we really have to judge them on is their actual policies, and their actual recent work. All the "image" will be drowned out in noise.

Same if you think about people posting stupid stuff on social media when they are young, and then having trouble when they try to find a job. If it is trivial and ubiquitous to fake drinking pictures and dumb old tweets, you can just shake it off with "oh yeah that is fake". The only thing that will count is your impression and your performance in the moment (and accounts from other trusted people).

I'm not saying this would be a good development, or a bad one, just that I think it is a possible interesting consequence of current tech developments...

Re: Nvidia releases Alias-Free GAN code and pre-trained models, naming it StyleGAN3

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Post by WithinReason »

captainmuon wrote: post #44
mkl wrote: post #34

This produces a kind of artefact I haven't seen before, involving little chains of circles and diamonds, e.g. https://nvlabs-fi-cdn.nvidia.com/stylegan3/images/stylegan3-... , https://nvlabs-fi-cdn.nvidia.com/stylegan3/images/stylegan3-... (hair). I think they follow those glowing coordinate-ish lines from the internal representation. It also seems to have given some faces contact lenses! https://nvlabs-fi-cdn.nvidia…

Looks like lizard people... I wonder if you can't just put a bunch of results with and without artifacts into two different bins, and do another round of training on them. But I don't know enough about how style transfer and retraining of these nets and all that modern stuff works to tell if that is feasible.

It already works that way in some sense

Re: Nvidia releases Alias-Free GAN code and pre-trained models, naming it StyleGAN3

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Post by smusamashah »

mkl wrote: post #34

This produces a kind of artefact I haven't seen before, involving little chains of circles and diamonds, e.g. https://nvlabs-fi-cdn.nvidia.com/stylegan3/images/stylegan3-... , https://nvlabs-fi-cdn.nvidia.com/stylegan3/images/stylegan3-... (hair). I think they follow those glowing coordinate-ish lines from the internal representation. It also seems to have given some faces contact lenses! https://nvlabs-fi-cdn.nvidia…

Someone on Twitter pointed out that it has larger repeating patterns too https://twitter.com/Zergfriend/status/1408184663420510209?s=...

Re: Nvidia releases Alias-Free GAN code and pre-trained models, naming it StyleGAN3

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Post by shmel »

captainmuon wrote: post #53
xg15 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I believe society will adapt quickly What gives you this impression? How exactly do you believe society would adapt?

Well, I mean we coped before we had cameras, right? In a sense, we would go back to that. We would have to rely more on witnesses we trust than on evidence. One point of postmodernism is that often the facts (as in what happened when exactly) don't matter as much as the narrative (Unless you are a historian or a scientist). I think this is true to some extent, but we delude ourselves that only the facts matter. And t…

From what I've seen online in the last 5 years, just a mere accusation is sometimes enough to ruin someone's life or career.

At the same time Trump and Johnson both showed that you can literally lie about something you said on live TV a week ago and people will suck it up.

Re: Nvidia releases Alias-Free GAN code and pre-trained models, naming it StyleGAN3

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Post by qayxc »

intricatedetail wrote: post #49

Is minimum 12GB limit on purpose to make people buy new GPUs? It's sad that this growing area is becoming for privileged people only.

It's not on purpose but a direct consequence of the computational requirements of the model.

I say this often and I cannot stress this enough: this is not magic! High quality results require a lot of computation and with it a lot of other resources like VRAM.

This area of research has always been resource intensive and no one was surprised by this back in the 1990s when some research required hardware that wasn't available to mere mortals (looking at you, SGI Indigo and Octane).

You should look at it be the other way around: it's astonishing that you can use off-the-shelf consumer hardware (here: mid-range gfx cards) to participate in and benefit from cutting edge research.

Even better yet, services like Google CoLab even allow you to meddle with this for free if you don't own the required hardware.

BTW, it's not the researchers' fault that the market is f'ed up again due to shortages and crypto mining. Otherwise you'd be able to buy a 12 GB card for around $330 (e.g. the RTX 3060), which doesn't sound particularly outrageous to me.

Re: Nvidia releases Alias-Free GAN code and pre-trained models, naming it StyleGAN3

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Post by DannyBee »

metagame wrote: post #14
DannyBee wrote: post #12

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Yes they are legal, and I'm not sure I follow the argument that they shouldn't be

The argument against it, presumably, is that "If you try and make us pay for committing crime, you won't get access to our toys anymore" is very strange and seems illegal, since the ability to play with toys should not stop anyone from reporting violations of the law. But at the same time, it's definitely legal, for better or for worse, as is pretty much any stunt you pull with the joke that is US IP law.

This is not illegal in any country I can think of. Your take around what it exists to do is, IMHO, over the top.

I'm not aware of a country that requires you let people sue you in this sort of situation, or requires that you not terminate their contract if you do.

Re: Nvidia releases Alias-Free GAN code and pre-trained models, naming it StyleGAN3

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Post by ImprobableTruth »

captainmuon wrote: post #53
xg15 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I believe society will adapt quickly What gives you this impression? How exactly do you believe society would adapt?

Well, I mean we coped before we had cameras, right? In a sense, we would go back to that. We would have to rely more on witnesses we trust than on evidence. One point of postmodernism is that often the facts (as in what happened when exactly) don't matter as much as the narrative (Unless you are a historian or a scientist). I think this is true to some extent, but we delude ourselves that only the facts matter. And t…

>and the only concrete thing we really have to judge them on is their actual policies, and their actual recent work. All the "image" will be drowned out in noise.

Completely disagree. What will instead matter is purely someone's image and their ability to fool people. Those who will benefit most from this aren't good people affected by smear campaigns, it's bad people who can easily avoid real criticism of actual wrong doings.

Most political scandals I know of are not something inconsequential, but rather due to corrupt or truly immoral behavior, like the recent corruption affair in Austria. Making politicians immune to this seems like a drastic step backwards.

>Well, I mean we coped before we had cameras, right?

Well, yeah, humanity also coped with frequent famines. I'm not sure if going to back to something like that would count as 'adapting' to crop failures.

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