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O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by judge2020 »

sodality2 wrote: post #42
marderfarker2 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://ameliorated.info/ works too

With Windows Update removed, and no way to patch the system without a full reinstall, I would not use ameliorated.info in any important capacity. The complete unability to patch zero-days makes it very unattractive. They recommend to just take admin privs from the default user. If you're this serious about privacy, use Linux. If you NEED Windows for a program, use a VM and nothing else. If you NEED Windows as your da…

I'd just like to touch upon that 94% figure. It's from this source[0], which actually says:

> Of these critical vulnerabilities, 94% were found to be mitigated by removing admin rights, up from 85% reported last year.

It's a very fine line, but they're mitigated by not running stuff as admin, not just removing admin rights from the main user's account. With Ameliorated, people will still want to set up software as admin and install to Program Files, so if they take the advice from the FAQ, they might think they're fine just having a separate Admin account they use for UAC pop-ups to install the programs, while leaving their main as a standard user, which is indeed not going to solve any zero-days compared to users just being able to click 'yes' at UAC.

0: https://web.archive.org/web/20170310043706/https://www.avect...

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by dannyw »

GordonS wrote: post #45

Microsoft has faced so much criticism for their approach to telemetry - I don't really understand why they don't at least provide the option to opt out of all telemetry. If they left it enabled by default, but provided an option to opt-out, realistically only a small segment of users would do so, and most of them would likely be power users who are already taking other steps to try to prevent telemetry being collecte…

Telemetry isn't just a tool for product managers, but it's also a goldmine for national security agencies (more than just the NSA; Bing is unblocked in China for a reason).

Anti-government meme made with GIMP at a specific timestamp? One search through the telemetry logs to find who exported a file at that exact moment.

Any data collection is also government surveillance unless proven otherwise.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by tumblewit »

Its funny how Windows and Android, the two most widely used operating systems, are a privacy nightmare and basically spyware at this point. Remember you can install tools and ROMs that are privacy focussed but also realise only a minor percentage of the users bother or are aware of these.

I wonder what the sales pitch would be to sell privacy focussed products to the average Joe.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by schleck8 »

judge2020 wrote: post #43
MauranKilom wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had the same thought, but upon investigation I don't see the incentive for the vendor to do something shady with it. They have a clear business model: Develop software for Windows that companies need. See their About page: https://www.oo-software.com/en/company Hence, it is clear what benefit they draw from releasing this software for free: Marketing. They are not in the business of brokering user data or mining bitc…

Windows will most likely consider this malware, since it is effectively piracy (removes activation checks) and it does mess with Windows Defender by disabling a bunch of phone-home stuff like malware sample submission. If you're already getting people to disable Windows Defender and/or make an exception for the exe, it's suddenly super easy to also embed some custom C&C into it, either for mass use (eg. using a Windo…

It is not considered malware by Smart Screen from what I can tell. Kaspersky doesn't have any issues with it either, and I've run both the original and the ++ Version of ShutUp.

This is portable by the way, so I don't really see the point in worrying about rogue company takeovers.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by LinuxBender »

marcodiego wrote: post #38
LinuxBender wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is sad that things like this are even required in the first place. I would really like to have more trust and confidence in Microsoft. To earn that trust they could provide one page with all PowerShell sub-commands and links from each command to a man/help page with real world examples so I don't have to trawl through technet and google or random github gists. They could also give people a true option during insta…

Fragmentation is not in ms best interest, but they could actually license just the nt kernel with a bootloader capable of launching it. Then people could build nt based distros with carefully chosen packages. Just like it is done with GNU/Linux. Maybe some one could write an application to delete as many files as possible from a pristine windows copy to turn it simply into a kernel launched by a bootloader. Is there…

That's an appealing idea. From watching the behavior of XBox One and Windows 10, I would be really surprised if they created such a thing. It really seems more like they want people to have dumb terminals with their binaries pseudo-cached and operate more like a mainframe/cloud model.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by tibbetts »

tumblewit wrote: post #53

Its funny how Windows and Android, the two most widely used operating systems, are a privacy nightmare and basically spyware at this point. Remember you can install tools and ROMs that are privacy focussed but also realise only a minor percentage of the users bother or are aware of these. I wonder what the sales pitch would be to sell privacy focussed products to the average Joe.

I think Apple has (with varying success) been making that pitch for several years.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by ekianjo »

tibbetts wrote: post #57
tumblewit wrote: post #53

Its funny how Windows and Android, the two most widely used operating systems, are a privacy nightmare and basically spyware at this point. Remember you can install tools and ROMs that are privacy focussed but also realise only a minor percentage of the users bother or are aware of these. I wonder what the sales pitch would be to sell privacy focussed products to the average Joe.

I think Apple has (with varying success) been making that pitch for several years.

There's no privacy on Apple with a closed source ecosystem and all the iCloud connectivity syncing your every move.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by judge2020 »

tumblewit wrote: post #53

Its funny how Windows and Android, the two most widely used operating systems, are a privacy nightmare and basically spyware at this point. Remember you can install tools and ROMs that are privacy focussed but also realise only a minor percentage of the users bother or are aware of these. I wonder what the sales pitch would be to sell privacy focussed products to the average Joe.

Both of these are the cheaper option in their respective market. iOS and macOS are expensive because the hardware is expensive (as in, the hardware in part pays for the development of the software), and Linux is expensive in that it's almost always more time-consuming to set up since it doesn't have Windows' first-class driver, hardware, and software support.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by squizzel »

tumblewit wrote: post #53

Its funny how Windows and Android, the two most widely used operating systems, are a privacy nightmare and basically spyware at this point. Remember you can install tools and ROMs that are privacy focussed but also realise only a minor percentage of the users bother or are aware of these. I wonder what the sales pitch would be to sell privacy focussed products to the average Joe.

Can you throw out some example tools and ROMs?
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