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Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Seems like a person could create an unbelieving cheap podcast hosting business (Simplecast, Transistor.fm, etc) on the back of R2. For those unaware, the primary infrastructure cost of these businesses is serving up mp3. Much like what YouTube does for video.

I'm aiming to do exactly that with hosted.fm as it happens :)

Using B2 and CF workers to keep costs low currently but if R2 is as good as it sounds I have no reason to write any overages billing code. Lovely!

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

#52

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Responding to a deleted but interesting comment. Normally I wouldn't do this, but it's harmless enough: > Backblaze B2 transfer to Cloudflare is free egress due to bandwidth alliance and Cloudflare CDN is free egress. So you already kinda have that. Hmm... What does it mean to transfer to Cloudflare? That's interesting. I want free egress to my Hetzner servers. (4x16TB for $79EU/mo is unbeatable, primarily because He…

They offer a serverless platform. If you want free egress, you can check Wasabi: https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/#three-info

Thanks for pointing this out!

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

#53
Slight miscalculation which should have been obvious:

"For example, Backblaze B2’s free operations threshold is capped at 2,500 a day, and if R2 simply let you make a GetObject request every second of every day, that would be something like 86,400 FREE daily Gets, which would cost ~$335 daily on B2 or $122,000 a year."

Backblaze B2 Class B operations are priced at $0.004 per 10k operations which the author did not take into account, so the calculation above is off by a factor of 10,000. The real cost for 1 GET per second for a whole year on Backblaze B2 is $12.59.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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What part is OP missing?

Maybe the point is that just having the S3 and CDN isn’t enough to move customers. If you’re using AWS, S3 (and Cloudfront) it will just be a tiny part of your infrastructure, why would you move that out of AWS and lose the integration coming from having everything in AWS?

> Double paying for storage is still going to be cheaper than egress fees overall.

because of this?

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…

Did you have a look at rstor.io? They have free egress and even lower storage costs and also don't seem to charge for IOPS. Not as high profile as Cloudflare though.

Also Wasabi is worth checking. Free egress cheap prices. https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/#three-info

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…

I googled what egress meant.

> when that data is retrieved from the cloud, providers will then charge large fees; this is what’s known as a data egress.

There are many cloud providers seem to be not charging for egress.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part is OP missing?

Maybe the point is that just having the S3 and CDN isn’t enough to move customers. If you’re using AWS, S3 (and Cloudfront) it will just be a tiny part of your infrastructure, why would you move that out of AWS and lose the integration coming from having everything in AWS?

Zero egress costs for assets is a very strong reason for people to move. For public assets, it's a complete no-brainer.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…

Egress means files being requested, right? Is there a charge for sending files to the server (ingress)? Does this mean the only charge is the storage space?

This was one of the most surprising things, to me, before I learned about any of this stuff.

inbound traffic (ingress) is free, almost universally.

outbound traffic (egress) is $insane, almost universally.

It's where most of the cloud providers make most of their money, as far as I can tell.

I'm a fan of murdering egress fees, so therefore I am a fan of whatever Cloudflare R2 turns out to be. As long as they get rid of egress, I'll cheerlead them for life.

(To answer your question more directly: "yes, I think so. At least in my experience.")

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Responding to a deleted but interesting comment. Normally I wouldn't do this, but it's harmless enough: > Backblaze B2 transfer to Cloudflare is free egress due to bandwidth alliance and Cloudflare CDN is free egress. So you already kinda have that. Hmm... What does it mean to transfer to Cloudflare? That's interesting. I want free egress to my Hetzner servers. (4x16TB for $79EU/mo is unbeatable, primarily because He…

They offer a serverless platform. If you want free egress, you can check Wasabi: https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/#three-info

I've been using Wasabi for a project where cost is more important than anything (i.e. a side project with reasonable scale that can't accept income) and on that front it is great. (S3 costs have been atrociously high to us sometimes.) For CDN-type resources we do a Wasabi bucket with Cloudflare with caching set very high. Reliability has been the only problem; it's not awful by any means, but there are a lot more "hiccups" using it. You get what you pay for, I guess.

That said I'm looking to see if just using R2 is a big improvement. It'll cost more but the reliability and performance might be worth it for us.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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I think that when CF say unlimited bandwidth they really mean it. I manage a domain on the business level plan for a domain and I pushed over 1PB through it in January. Not a single complaint from CF and no sales calls pushing enterprise tier. They haven't clarified their file operations costs yet though. That could get pricy but will more than likely be cancelled out by the egress savings for most use cases.

Not saying your experience isn't true, but I've heard horror stories of accounts being disabled for using too much "non-HTML" bandwidth, even on business level ($200/month) accounts (at the single digit TB level). The limits seem to be arbitrary and ill defined. CF may be great technically, but I personally wouldn't use them without an enterprise agreement in place. Bandwidth should be cheap, but cheap does not equal…

Yeah, that's why I haven't dared put them in front of my B2 buckets, even though they have the Bandwidth Alliance.
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