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Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by toomuchtodo »

SllX wrote: post #42
toomuchtodo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, agree. I'm arguing for disintermediation of the community from the corporate entity attempting to squeeze as much value out of the community as possible (and in the process, being a hot potato from one company to the next). Communities deserve better (Stackoverflow and Wikipedia come to mind), and the technology primitives are stupid simple. Perhaps I've been reading too much Neal Stephenson and Cory Doctorow l…

Philosophically? Sure. But with how the masses act and behave and take interest in, getting the critical mass of non-technical people you would need to make it work is a massive hurdle. Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Reddit will skate by with inertia for years to come no matter how suicidally they behave because they have mass appeal. Losing one audience doesn’t matter because they have millions of other audiences. Y…

I concede these are all good points and I genuinely appreciate the discourse. Speaking only for myself, I see the challenges as:

1. Preserve the content and culture of these platforms for users and future historians (in the case of Reddit, Pushshift and the Internet Archive). UGC ("user generated content") belongs to users first and foremost.

2. Continue to find opportunities to reduce the moats of incumbents and the friction of standing up alternatives. If a site disappears, there should be little impact to anyone other than employees and shareholders.

3. Be ready to jump in and scale up when incumbents misstep (Signal and Telegram seeing huge membership jumps during Facebook's extended outage earlier this week, Digg's redesign helping Reddit's growth, etc).

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by pndy »

Nextgrid wrote: post #17
zbowling wrote: post #15

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Apollo is not the defacto reddit client. Reddit's own app is.

Reddit's own app is an adware & malware that happens to display some Reddit content.

I'd be happy if someone would bake mobile teddit or other "proxies" app. I know site still works but this could be done more handy and with aiming at additional features, like pushing yt videos through invidious "pipe".

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by Nextgrid »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #39
Nextgrid wrote: post #25

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It tracks you for advertising purposes. That's malicious in my book.

It doesn’t advertise to you in secret (how would that even work?). The ads are front and center. It’s user hostile, but not malware.

The ads are. The data being collected to target those ads is not.

I guess a non-malicious way of collecting the data for ad purposes could be to collect it locally and offer the user to review it before sending it off.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by nerdjon »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #10

TIL there are AMP blockers on Safari...brb

I did the same thing, that is the quickest few bucks I have spent on the App Store ever (and then shared to all of my friends).

Did not even need to think about it, I have wanted this since APM first started being rolled out.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by JoshGlazebrook »

jamil7 wrote: post #26
SllX wrote: post #20

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Nah. Reddit’s client is the official Reddit client, but Apollo is the de facto one for people who want to actually use Reddit. Also Apollo now has a Safari extension which will automatically redirect Reddit links to Apollo. Previously this was a manual process after the page already loaded after telling Reddit for the umpteen-billionth time you want Safari, not the official Reddit client.

This. I think I would actually give up on reddit without apollo, the official app and website are user-hostile. I wonder if they will tighten the API up and eventually kill third-party clients.

I have no issue with the official Reddit app and I can use Reddit just fine.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by SllX »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #51
SllX wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Philosophically? Sure. But with how the masses act and behave and take interest in, getting the critical mass of non-technical people you would need to make it work is a massive hurdle. Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Reddit will skate by with inertia for years to come no matter how suicidally they behave because they have mass appeal. Losing one audience doesn’t matter because they have millions of other audiences. Y…

I concede these are all good points and I genuinely appreciate the discourse. Speaking only for myself, I see the challenges as: 1. Preserve the content and culture of these platforms for users and future historians (in the case of Reddit, Pushshift and the Internet Archive). UGC ("user generated content") belongs to users first and foremost. 2. Continue to find opportunities to reduce the moats of incumbents and the…

That’s great but that’s an archival project, not a social network. There’s room for smaller networks to exist on the fringes but we’re unlikely to see a Reddit that looks like Reddit overtake Reddit on its own merits. The same for Facebook, or TikTok or Twitter.

Re: Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP

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Post by tehlike »

My suspicion, having worked at google for a while, is that this is a parser / version eligibility bug. Someone probably put the list of major versions where this is supported, and 15 was not there :)

Things like this happened every new ios release. Going from 9->10 was a problem for example because regex used was limiting major version to single digit etc.

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