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A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)

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Re: A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)

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I enjoyed the sci-fi parts of this book. The whole thing about the ship trying to evade the Blight was some of the best hard sci-fi I've come across.

What I liked less was the subplot about the children marooned in a medieval-style society of dog-like aliens, which got a bit Game of Thrones-y for my taste, and felt like a completely different book.

I considered reading A Deepness in the Sky, but then learned it involves a civilization of spider-like aliens. How is it?

Re: A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)

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I enjoyed the sci-fi parts of this book. The whole thing about the ship trying to evade the Blight was some of the best hard sci-fi I've come across. What I liked less was the subplot about the children marooned in a medieval-style society of dog-like aliens, which got a bit Game of Thrones-y for my taste, and felt like a completely different book. I considered reading A Deepness in the Sky, but then learned it invol…

Sorry, not answering your question, but commenting on the dog aliens. I agree that the two stories felt quite disconnected. What was interesting about the dog-like aliens though was his representation of a telepathic hive-mind. Unfortunately, your general argument about those sections still stands though. I was actually even reminded of Star Wars: Ewok Adventure which arguably is worse than being reminded of GoT.

Re: A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)

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I had to google what "ENCRYPTED DAISY download. For print-disabled users" means. " "Print disabled" books are those that have been specially formatted in the DAISY format for users who can not read regular print books. These titles are only accessible on a specialized device to patrons having a key issued by the Library of Congress. " " The Digital Accessible Information SYstem (DAISY) format is a means of creating d…

To the casual reader there may be some missing context here so let me fill it in. The overwhelming majority of “print disabled” persons in the USA are blind. The Library of Congress is funded to provide gratis talking books[1] for that community and provides an app that understands the DAISY format. There are also dedicated devices, but I don’t know anyone that uses them anymore.

While I agree with you that better accessibility is good for all users, your framing of this is a bit offensive[2]. I know you don’t mean to be, but you’re framing a big accessibility win for a community that faces serious everyday challenges as somehow being bad. Maybe don’t do that?

Edit: There is the potential for a big mutual win here. If sighted persons could pay fair value for DTBs, it would incentivize publishers to make more titles available. We would get the format's benefits and the blind community would get access to more titles.

[1] https://nlsbard.loc.gov/

[2] I'm not speaking for others, I'm relaying what I was told.

Re: A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)

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post #47

Some other really thought provoking books by Vinge which often go overlooked is "The Peace Wars" and "Marooned in Realtime" My personal guilty favorite (I say guilty because he really buys into the outdated concept of the technological singularity) is Rainbow's End, which deals with notions of augmented reality, digitalization of books, and even touches on right-to-repair issues in a way.

Vinge invented the idea (and name) of the singularity.

I think it’s fairer to say that he named and articulated the idea, but there were certainly earlier books that described technological singularities (though often centred round energy or transport rather than computing).

Re: A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)

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post #27

Highly, highly recommend Vinge's A Deepness In The Sky [0], which won the Hugo in 2000. It's a hard-sci-fi story about how various societies, human and alien, attempt to assert control & hegemony over centuries of time (in many ways thinking of this as a distributed systems and code documentation problem!), and how critical and impactful the role of language translation is in helping people to understand foreign ways…

Deepness introduced me to the concept of software archaeology. I won't spoil it, but there's a really fun bit when a character, digging deeply into the bowels of software systems in this far-future human society, makes an observation about the basis for timekeeping in the oldest systems.

The "focused" remind me of the mentats from the Dune universe, but less general purpose-- more like replicating feedback-based control systems. I have a back-of-the-mind worry that our society will end up with a class of citizens working in "focused" roles powering "intelligent" systems.

Re: A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)

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For those that aren't familiar, a short teaser: Future archaeologists have traveled to a remote asteroid to investigate an alien artifact found within it, a computing device of some kind. They bring it to life and begin extracting its data and programs for their research. A debate breaks out about the substantial virus risk known to be associated with these "found" computing devices. They decide to cut and run, but n…

This scene in the book is maybe one of the earliest examples of fuzzing being used n fiction :-) ?

Fuzzing was used in Thomas J Ryan's The Adolescence of P-1, circa 1977 (in an attack against some IBM mainframe's supervisor).

(TAoP1 is a much-overlooked example of . . . well, I wouldn't call it cyberpunk, but definitely counter-culture computing. In the IBM world, I think that means you refuse to wear a tie. It's technically dated -- think modems-and-megabytes -- but still kind of fun).

Re: A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)

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post #47

Some other really thought provoking books by Vinge which often go overlooked is "The Peace Wars" and "Marooned in Realtime" My personal guilty favorite (I say guilty because he really buys into the outdated concept of the technological singularity) is Rainbow's End, which deals with notions of augmented reality, digitalization of books, and even touches on right-to-repair issues in a way.

Vinge invented the idea (and name) of the singularity.

No, that was John von Neumann.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann#Technological...

Vinge did "present a fully fleshed-out concept of cyberspace" in True Names in 1981 though.

> True Names is a 1981 science fiction novella by American writer Vernor Vinge, a seminal work of the cyberpunk genre. It is one of the earliest stories to present a fully fleshed-out concept of cyberspace, which would later be central to cyberpunk. The story also contains elements of transhumanism, anarchism, and even hints about The Singularity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Names

Re: A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)

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Some other really thought provoking books by Vinge which often go overlooked is "The Peace Wars" and "Marooned in Realtime" My personal guilty favorite (I say guilty because he really buys into the outdated concept of the technological singularity) is Rainbow's End, which deals with notions of augmented reality, digitalization of books, and even touches on right-to-repair issues in a way.

(It's Rainbows End w/o the apostrophe.)
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