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California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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I guess we’ve stopped hiring the best people for the job. Moves like this put the US at a competitive disadvantage. We can solve our inequality problems without making us weak. The US army took equal opportunity seriously long ago, their model works and can be replicated.

If we were ever at the point where companies were hiring the best people for the job, this wouldn't be necessary as the companies would already have a diverse board.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

#52
Quotas are good for increasing diversity, but lol @ thinking someone of a different gender or race will lead to a gentler kinder capitalism. This is a decision that will affect at most a few hundred or a few thousand people in a state of tens of millions. Those millions are suffering far more than bourgeois C-level aspirants one rung too low on the ladder for their taste.

Pure spectacle. We need workplace democracy and social services for everyone! Healthcare, housing, and integration on a local level. That's what it means to change society, not changing the paint on a machine that grinds people up and spits them out.

The country got worse thanks to Obama's presidency because he refused to even chip away at pure financial capitalism and let people get crushed in the financial crisis. His refusal to help people created the "liquidity trap" that strangles the economy because people have no money to spend in an economic system that requires a buyer and a seller.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what you are saying is that women and people of color are not capable of competing on merit? they have to be installed by decree? i am insulted.

It's not that they're incapable of competing on merit; it's that the established institutions are unwilling to recognize based on merit, and a coercive outside force is required to counterbalance the entrenched racism & sexism until we're at a point where society can function on a truly meritocratic basis on its own.

> it's that the established institutions are unwilling to recognize based on merit

Example?

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

#54

Y'know, back in my day we had a word for this... I think it was "racism" but I'm not entirely sure

They've been playing a game of redefining terms for a few years now, at least since 2015. People not paying attention (not wanting to be labeled with scary terms) basically fell for it and here we are.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

#55

The comments here as I write this are quite shocking. I would have imagined that HN's readership would be quite progressive. Maybe not. I do not think it is unreasonable for a corporate board to be required to include at least one woman or at least one non-white person. I also think it's quite shocking that all-white-male boards are so common that this is even necessary. It's an artifact of institutional racism and s…

Sorry to disappoint you but there are plenty of smart people who are not "progressive", they just have learned to not make it obvious.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

#56

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This is about equity, not equality, and it's increasingly clear that a lot of people don't know the difference.

Punishing someone based on “wrong” color/gender is evil.

Yes it is. And that's what we've done as a society for hundreds of years in the US. That we are now attempting to fix that will obviously be seen as an attack, because losing privilege is never easy.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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post #23

The comments here as I write this are quite shocking. I would have imagined that HN's readership would be quite progressive. Maybe not. I do not think it is unreasonable for a corporate board to be required to include at least one woman or at least one non-white person. I also think it's quite shocking that all-white-male boards are so common that this is even necessary. It's an artifact of institutional racism and s…

If a board rejects a (very) competent person based on the person’s gender, race, sexuality, age, then… they lost a very competent person. That person will do great work outside of that board. Can we agree on this? Also, is that some sort of Nash equilibrium?

I don’t think that this formulation reflects the actual situation. Realistically you have a broad pool of near-identical performers (in a sense that your error in judgement is similar to difference in performance) mixed with some bad performers. The goal of the company is not to hire good, but to avoid the bad. So if someone isn’t bad then it’s fine to give preference based on some diversity metric, because you are just choosing between equivalent candidates (to within your ability to objectively measure).

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

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Federal government already says you can't discriminate. They aren't saying, "you have to hire this person". They're saying you can't hire exclusively this type of person that currently dominates the top of society. Given that these boardrooms don't diversify themselves, what is the actual problem with it?

The problem is that someone must be fired because he is a white male

It doesn't mean that at all. You can hire a black person and not fire anyone. They may choose to fire someone, but given these are board positions, and it literally takes just one person -- they can easily accommodate simply hiring someone.

Re: California outlawed all-white-male boardrooms – reshaping corporate America

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what you are saying is that women and people of color are not capable of competing on merit? they have to be installed by decree? i am insulted.

It's not that they're incapable of competing on merit; it's that the established institutions are unwilling to recognize based on merit, and a coercive outside force is required to counterbalance the entrenched racism & sexism until we're at a point where society can function on a truly meritocratic basis on its own.

Show me a rule that actually enshrines this.
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