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Re: What's next for personal productivity

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I don't think that going "holistic" is the future of productivity. Something something dilution of focus. My personal view: the next big improvement should come from tackling emotional self-management. This is derived mostly from my own experience of ~15 years of struggling with personal productivity (and going through every trick in every popular book), as well as observing others close to me. In recent years I came…

Have you heard 'State not story' (sometimes 'Story follows state')? This comes from trauma therapy, specifically Polyvagal Theory. Patients have their life story and often think of it as the reason for their current problems, when in reality a huge portion of that might be their body, ie the state of their nervous system, informing a story they tell themselves, making mental illness an infinite loop. So for self mana…

I've heard of the concept, but not under this name.

I also have mixed feelings about it. It feels nice at a surface level, but I'm not sure if the details follow. Are our brains really that bad at interpreting signals from the body? When I scrape my leg, I just feel that my leg hurts - but if I have lower but more persistent pain, my brain doesn't flag it as a leg issue, but instead starts telling me I hate my job?

More than that, I don't like how this view is typically used to peddle what I dubbed as "fuck off" advice. Take e.g. the "Body" list you've attached: essentially "sleep, diet, exercise". Aka. things that are often given as generic advice to solve one's mental problems. My personal experience (both of applying the advice on myself, as well as observing people) tells me that these do not work beyond fixing some extreme deficiencies - but they're the perfect thing to tell someone so they go away. They waste a year trying and failing to fix their problem, constantly blaming themselves for failing to stick to good sleep schedule / diet / exercise regime, but through that year they don't bother you anymore.

Even if these interventions did work like that - which I doubt they do - they're usually impractical. Getting into a perfect shape and sleep schedule is a years-long effort requiring sacrifices few people can make without throwing most of the nice things in their life away (it's not like they can cut out their job, so it's the personal time that gets sacrificed), and results are high-maintenance. So it isn't a good answer for the modern lifestyle, unless it brings order-of-magnitude improvements. Which we know it doesn't (otherwise everyone even moderately successful would be also fit and sleeping well).

Re: What's next for personal productivity

#52

I don't think that going "holistic" is the future of productivity. Something something dilution of focus. My personal view: the next big improvement should come from tackling emotional self-management. This is derived mostly from my own experience of ~15 years of struggling with personal productivity (and going through every trick in every popular book), as well as observing others close to me. In recent years I came…

Hey friend - I don't want you to shower with money but i do want to share some things I've learnt about emotional-self management:

1. The body stores emotions and simple movement and body awareness can shift feelings. Read "Body Keeps the Score" for more.

2. Animals often shake and shudder out emotions, we've unlearnt that. Try shake it out.

3. There's some clinically backed programs that help with emotional regulation. My favorite is the Mindfulness Based Self Compassion Course https://centerformsc.org/. A key enphasis of the course is accepting emotions, that suffering is part of life. Unnecessary suffering is often caused by the resistance of the emotion.

Hope that helps! Email me samdup at gmail com if you'd like to discuss more!

Re: What's next for personal productivity

#53
I continue to believe that we don't talk enough about the root causes of several productivity issues, instead focus too much on the symptoms.

We somehow accept that the average office worker is constantly dealing with information overload and distractions, and never wonder why or make a serious attempt to fix it. We find systems to cope with it, but don't address the root cause.

Likewise, we stretch people to the point where they are often near a burn-out and then offer meditation as a solution. How about not stretching people out in the first place?

I'd like to offer an interesting contrast by means of my background. I'm born into the lower working class. My family, the town I live in, it's almost all blue collar workers.

Strangely, these people never have meetings. Or at most one per week. They may have a few spontaneous 5 minute phone calls per day to calibrate, and that's it. They seem to mostly just work, as they know what to do, how to do it, and when to do it.

The immediate excuse we might come up with is that the nature of the work is different. More repetitive, less complex, less dependencies. Sometimes, but not always true. But it's still not an excuse in any case.

We quite simply don't have things in order. If for the coming week you don't know what the 1-3 things are you should be working on, that's a planning/priority problem. Which is to be addressed centrally.

If you are under siege by 20 other things not part of those 1-3 things, you shouldn't "deal with it", you should aim to eradicate them. Because clearly there's a planning/responsibility misalignment going on.

If your planning/priority situation changes by the day or even hour, your team has shit planning. Fix it.

If you spend half of each day not working, instead figuring out what to do, stop accepting this reality. Something is fishy upstream.

If you are bombarded with status meetings and messages, you have a systems problem.

Is there a single silver bullet? No. All I'm saying is that a huge part of these problems are solvable, and shouldn't be accepted as a fact of life for you to cope with. Demand clear tasks and planning. Demand uninterrupted time to do the tasks. It's not anti-business, it's pro-business. The worker AND the business benefits.

Fulfillment has nothing to do with it. Of course work-life balance matters, as well as chasing the luxury of doing work you like. But the lack of fulfillment in office work likely does not come from the tasks itself being dreadful.

Example 1. A manager draws a line on a patch of sand and tells me to dig into the ground 2 inches deep along this line. It needs to be ready before tomorrow.

Whilst not a fun task, it is clear. It is fulfilling in the sense that you would get paid for it, plus at the end of the day you have a feeling of accomplishment. You may feel tired, but not burned out.

Example 2. The dysfunctional office version of the above would be something like this...

Yeah so we need you to dig that line, but please check with our design department as they may have some changes in the line's design. The Kentucky office said that the line might need to be dug into another location entirely. Please also look plan a meeting with legal as our shovels may not be compliant. By the way, today you also urgently need to paint the fence, renovate the shed and design a new pond but we're not really sure when what needs to happen or how much time you have so figure it out. By the way, did you take the mandatory HR and IT security training that is due this week. Sorry, whilst I was typing it turns out the digging needs to be 1 inch deep, not 2 inch, so please put the sand back. But do it after the painting. I think. As per latest policy, please declare your commute expenses en route to the digging site, I've attached a PDF with instructions, required reading. By the way, are you reading your email? 7 people asked about the status of the digging, yet you haven't replied? Please reply urgently as to prevent further escalations. Which reminds me, please skip lunch at the site as one of our investors may drop by. Further, as you know, we're working on new recruit diggers, can you do an interview with them around 7PM? We need to move quickly as there's many digging opportunities.

I'm sure I could go on. The point is that example 2 creates burn-out, a lack of fulfillment, meditation as a requirement, and so on. It has absolutely nothing to do with the actual task of digging. It's garbage planning and incompetence. This is why you'll never find a blue collar worker in a meditation center, only stressed out white collar workers.

Re: What's next for personal productivity

#54
post #53

I continue to believe that we don't talk enough about the root causes of several productivity issues, instead focus too much on the symptoms. We somehow accept that the average office worker is constantly dealing with information overload and distractions, and never wonder why or make a serious attempt to fix it. We find systems to cope with it, but don't address the root cause. Likewise, we stretch people to the poi…

Distractions and cultural mythologies cost us way more than what we can save by optimising the minute to minute task scheduling.

1) Get rid of tasks. A huge amount of "work" done today is nonsense. Common culprits are meetings, compliance, tickboxing, just following orders, etc.

2) Do one thing at a time and just get it done. Surprisingly few tasks actually requires a ton of people to get involved if you ignore whatever dogmatic process procedure policy culture imposed.

Planning and efficiency tools are net negative until they have improved your efficiency more than the time, distraction, and mental effort it costs to fiddle with them. That is something I rarely see when I test and measure how people work in reality. And there are more secondary costs, e.g: getting more rigid to follow an established plan even when reality changes, unrealistic synchronisation promises, etc.

You are noncompliant only when you have been sued and lost. Before that point you are improving your efficiency by just solving the problem and building value for your customers. Most people drastically overinterpret the regulations and overemphasise the risks. And you can almost always become compliant at a later stage, if the risk profile changes.

Sitting in meetings is very rarely effective work. Coordination by meeting is almost always highly inefficient compared to alternative structures. But for some reason there is a shared myth here that is very hard to kill. And it is insanely rare that anyone questions the dogma, or measures the effects. It is common that I see organisations with effective total management and coordination overhead above 60%. It is not difficult to stay below 10% without drastically increasing risk of errors, planning, etc.

Many "superimportant" tasks, features, etc turn out to be not needed in the end. By prioritising well and postponing/killing stuff you will drastically improve efficiency and save lots of work, money, and headache.

Re: What's next for personal productivity

#55

I don't think that going "holistic" is the future of productivity. Something something dilution of focus. My personal view: the next big improvement should come from tackling emotional self-management. This is derived mostly from my own experience of ~15 years of struggling with personal productivity (and going through every trick in every popular book), as well as observing others close to me. In recent years I came…

Thanks for writing this, you managed to describe my situation perfectly for the first time ever in the internet.

Re: What's next for personal productivity

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard 'State not story' (sometimes 'Story follows state')? This comes from trauma therapy, specifically Polyvagal Theory. Patients have their life story and often think of it as the reason for their current problems, when in reality a huge portion of that might be their body, ie the state of their nervous system, informing a story they tell themselves, making mental illness an infinite loop. So for self mana…

I've heard of the concept, but not under this name. I also have mixed feelings about it. It feels nice at a surface level, but I'm not sure if the details follow. Are our brains really that bad at interpreting signals from the body? When I scrape my leg, I just feel that my leg hurts - but if I have lower but more persistent pain, my brain doesn't flag it as a leg issue, but instead starts telling me I hate my job? M…

I think hedberg10 and all these 'fuck off' advice guys have a point. It's just really hard to achieve that.

Don't take this wrong, but I noticed that your last paragraph could've been one of mine, and that it reads like defeatism (which I admit I practice a lot). It's a bad habit to have, and I'm struggling to get rid of mine.

It's that habit that makes me not want to start going into the gym in the first place to fix my body and my daily routine. That habit makes me think that gyms are full of people, commuting sucks, it takes time out of my already full schedule and because it takes years to get a perfect body it's not going to fix my daily life now, so why bother?

I've been trying to fix my productivity for a while and this realization of my self-defeatism inspired me to actually go jog after I post this comment. And for what it's worth, if it does not work, at least I've tried it.

Hopefully this can act as a mirror for you as well, as your comment acted for me. Good luck getting your emotions in shape.

Re: What's next for personal productivity

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard 'State not story' (sometimes 'Story follows state')? This comes from trauma therapy, specifically Polyvagal Theory. Patients have their life story and often think of it as the reason for their current problems, when in reality a huge portion of that might be their body, ie the state of their nervous system, informing a story they tell themselves, making mental illness an infinite loop. So for self mana…

I've heard of the concept, but not under this name. I also have mixed feelings about it. It feels nice at a surface level, but I'm not sure if the details follow. Are our brains really that bad at interpreting signals from the body? When I scrape my leg, I just feel that my leg hurts - but if I have lower but more persistent pain, my brain doesn't flag it as a leg issue, but instead starts telling me I hate my job? M…

Well now youre doing exactly what I described. You make my suggestions into a to do list and feel bad.

The point is to feel better. Thats the start of everything. Not "I have accomplished all tasks, now I can feel good".

Notice how I didnt even define what a "good" sleep pattern is and what you made of it, then proclaiming that to be unreachable, feeling worse. Maybe a good sleep schedule for you is to sleep during the day? Who cares. Its whatever makes you feel good. The second you judge yourself, you lose.

Re: What's next for personal productivity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard of the concept, but not under this name. I also have mixed feelings about it. It feels nice at a surface level, but I'm not sure if the details follow. Are our brains really that bad at interpreting signals from the body? When I scrape my leg, I just feel that my leg hurts - but if I have lower but more persistent pain, my brain doesn't flag it as a leg issue, but instead starts telling me I hate my job? M…

Well now youre doing exactly what I described. You make my suggestions into a to do list and feel bad. The point is to feel better. Thats the start of everything. Not "I have accomplished all tasks, now I can feel good". Notice how I didnt even define what a "good" sleep pattern is and what you made of it, then proclaiming that to be unreachable, feeling worse. Maybe a good sleep schedule for you is to sleep during t…

Perhaps. To be clear, my complaint isn't directly against you or your advice. But you asked if I heard about this concept, so I commented on what I've heard of it, and what advice I've heard that follow or are adjacent to it.

Re: What's next for personal productivity

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post #54
post #53

I continue to believe that we don't talk enough about the root causes of several productivity issues, instead focus too much on the symptoms. We somehow accept that the average office worker is constantly dealing with information overload and distractions, and never wonder why or make a serious attempt to fix it. We find systems to cope with it, but don't address the root cause. Likewise, we stretch people to the poi…

Distractions and cultural mythologies cost us way more than what we can save by optimising the minute to minute task scheduling. 1) Get rid of tasks. A huge amount of "work" done today is nonsense. Common culprits are meetings, compliance, tickboxing, just following orders, etc. 2) Do one thing at a time and just get it done. Surprisingly few tasks actually requires a ton of people to get involved if you ignore whate…

Pretty much agree with everything you said.

Hire competent people with common sense. Given them a clear goal on the horizon and leave them alone. The end.

Re: What's next for personal productivity

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

meaningfulness is for yourself. Productivity is for other people asking you to achieve a goal (and you measure this productivity with money earned). You could be doing meaningful stuff for yourself, like a starving artist. It is not productive, if other people do not pay you for your art work. You could be doing very productive work, but not meaningful (for yourself).

> Productivity is for other people asking you to achieve a goal Productivity is a measurement for any work, independent of the season why one executes this work. You can be productive for your own tasks, or the tasks for someone else, it still could be measured and evaluated. > and you measure this productivity with money earned No, you do not. Money can be a viable metric, but most often wage and productivity have n…

> This is a typical misconception.

it's not a misconception. Many productivity measurement metrics are very subjective, except for money paid for work.

Productivity is correlated to the job being done, but only under free market competition conditions, and that all participants have similar bargaining power. Otherwise, slavery is highly productive, but the monies paid is next to zero. But you can use the sold-price of the goods to determine productivity, instead of the wages. So money is still a good measurement, even in the degenerate case.

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