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Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

#51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially when one party seemingly champions “civil rights” or “the little guy”, and the other party champions “small government”. And yet a government employee stealing someone’s cash with no justification does not fall under any of those categories.

As mentioned in the tweets, the bipartisan FAIR act is supposed to reform civil asset forfeiture.

Civil asset forfeiture has been a problem for 30+ years and multiple presidential administrations, of both parties.

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

#52
post #6

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That would be reported by the news and people would care. Whereas here we get this reaction: "they seized his money and say he is suspected of being a drug dealer, well then i have nothing to worry about - i am not a drug dealer."

I think the most common reaction is going to be "this guy carried my mortgage worth in cash on his person to the airport, I don't think I'm going to have that problem".

Until the time they go buy a $5000 used car.

Also, it's not just cash they go after. There are plenty of "State v. Diamond Necklace" or "State v. Various Electronics Valued at Approx. $1000" cases out there.

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

#53

I'd bet this type of behavior from the government is what causes "domestic terrorism"...not just the "radicals" mentioned in headlines.

I’m not aware of any domestic terror attacks (shootings?) where asset forfeiture has even been raised as a contributing factor. The Las Vegas shooter is kinda-money related in that he was a problem gambler. That’s the closest I can think of. Do you have any citation where this has happened? Because if not, that’s probably a pretty poor “bet” you’re making…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack

The IRC is distinct from civil asset forfeiture, but they're both obtuse bureaucracies that care not for the individuals they crush.

(idk what's with the downvotes. What I said is pretty factual unless you're like an accountant)

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

#54
post #7

Can't get paid more than 1500 in cash in France. 2000 Pounds is "a lot of money" to exchange in the UK. The limits are suspiciously higher if you're well dressed and stepping out of an expensive car or moving millions. Tells you how pathetically poor the poor really are.

There's a proposal for a new fed program that will track anything over $600 in the US now[0]. It is pretty much aimed at gig workers. Previously the IRS just didn't care about anyone below the poverty line. I'm not sure I'm even fine with the spirit of what is happening here, since these people would be getting that money back in refunds anyways. Also, I think a problem is that it is placing the burden on people who already don't have money, by complicating their taxes. It's weird to see banks and credit unions sending petitions around[1]. But this is also why I'm nervous about a fed crypto coin.

[0] https://www.bloomberglaw.com/product/tax/bloombergtaxnews/da...

[1] https://www.cuna.org/advocacy/actions/grassroot-action-cente...

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

#55
post #27

> Lyon arrived @RDUAirport & gave his bag to @TSA to be scanned. He says he absolutely knew TSA would see the cash, but said he also knew there is no law limiting the amount of cash one can fly with in the U.S. Here's the real problem. Civil asset forfeiture is an extralegal action. It's outside the legal system, which is why it's nearly impossible to get your money back. It's why the legality of what Lyon was doing…

Civil asset forfeiture is an extralegal action. This is categorically wrong . CAF is outside of the criminal legal system, but is very much part of the civil legal system, and the governments loses CAF cases more often than they win them in CAF cases preceding or not involving related criminal cases. (But conversely, the governments almost always win CAF cases that occur after succesful criminal cases involving drugs…

> CAF cases make the news when the victim doesn't get their money back in a timely fashion, for the same reason that fires and earthquakes do: because that's not the normal state of things.

Got a source for that?

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they are replying to the currency printing hypothetical not the 125,000-dollars-stolen-from-me hypothetical.

I thought they were comparing people’s reactions to news about equifax’s data breach exposing people’s social and other identifying info to news about the government stealing from people via civil asset forfeiture.

@zamadatix is correct.

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

#57
post #42

Let's step back and pretend like the TSA/police never engage in civil asset forfeiture in the first place. That issue aside, this is still a colossally stupid way to make a transaction. A thousand bad outcomes that are possibly more likely than this scenario could have happened. The bag could have been lost in the taxi, lost by the airline, stolen by a passerby, left at home, and the list goes on. Has this guy ever h…

People trust cash. A lot of people dealing in used goods only accept cash. It's substantially more difficult to forge a load of $100s than it is to forge a money order. All you need to verify a stack of $100 bills is a $5 marker.

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially when one party seemingly champions “civil rights” or “the little guy”, and the other party champions “small government”. And yet a government employee stealing someone’s cash with no justification does not fall under any of those categories.

As mentioned in the tweets, the bipartisan FAIR act is supposed to reform civil asset forfeiture.

There's a bill "in committee" for everything under the sun. It's meaningless.

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

#60
post #22

It's surreal to me how little political or public support there is for ending these kinds of egregious government overreaches.

I don’t think regular voters like the policy; they just don’t have any input. Plus there is only so much bandwidth for legislative process, and that’s pretty log-jammed by some hot topic issues lately.

While there may be some hot topics recently, I imagine there was downtime in the last few decades for Congress to stop law enforcement from systematically stealing from citizens who have been convicted of no crimes.
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