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Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

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Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

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Absolutely incredible news. Micropayments are one of the paths out of advertiser hell and were one of the original dreams of many crypto nerds and advocates. I still think that twitter is pure mind cancer, but I have to give it to Jack on this. Great move, and something I hope gets repeated to the rest of the web. For those who aren’t very familiar with the crypto space: this uses a bitcoin side chain called lightnin…

Do we know why they're not doing it off-chain, similar to the way a crypto exchange will transfer crypto from one user to another off-chain?

Because it already comes out of the box with bitcoin/lightning.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#52

This (this specific news as well as crypto in general) still feels like externalizing a fairly important cost - the energy usage required to keep this world-wide distributed ledger going. Change my mind?

Because noone cares about that.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#53

Why does Twitter need to enable anything for users to receive Bitcoin? Couldn't the users just pin a tweet to the top of their profile "Hey, if you want to tip us, here is our Bitcoin address: ..."? And for receiving Bitcoin via the Lighnight Network, I would expect it is similar?

A lot of business is just taking something that is possible and making it accessible. See: the famous Dropbox detractor comment on hacker news.

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Absolutely incredible news. Micropayments are one of the paths out of advertiser hell and were one of the original dreams of many crypto nerds and advocates. I still think that twitter is pure mind cancer, but I have to give it to Jack on this. Great move, and something I hope gets repeated to the rest of the web. For those who aren’t very familiar with the crypto space: this uses a bitcoin side chain called lightnin…

Leaving BTC and lighting aside, I don't think most people would opt out of ads in favor of micro payments. There is a minority who have the money that would but I see nothing in society that points to making such a change possible. Do you have any studies that show people would pay for news/socials/etc. in exchange for no ads/tracking/+privacy? Even the paid streaming services have ads and even when you pay, I'm sure…

I pay for youtube premium to avoid ads. Paying in a micro form over a lump sum form wouldnt matter for me as long as its reasonable in price and easy.

Really micro payments add-value is that most things on the internet are just not worth a visa charge or the slow fraud detection calcs on the back end. Like access to someones tweets. Its basically opening up a new economy and suitable for the metaverse in general.

Like imagine you have augmented reality glasses and are walking through a city outside a restaurant, and a digital food menu third party gives you access for 5 cents btc or eth.

Bit of a tangent here but the use case is fascinating.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

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Bitcoin's energy consumption depends on mining revenue. Currently the main component of mining revenue is block reward. Block reward will go to zero over time. How much energy Bitcoin will use then is not known today. It is a new experiment that mankind is performing for the first time. The old financial system is not very efficient. In the USA alone, millions of people work in the finance sector. Automating those ta…

The bits of the old financial system which duplicate bitcoin (doing simply electronic transactions) are very efficient. I see no reason all the other stuff wouldn't still be around in a world where bitcoin replaced the dollar. Also, there is no way bitcoin can come close to scaling to even a tiny fraction of the transactions which happen every day.

Bitcoin does not only do transactions. It has a smart contract language which allows more and more types of smart contracts all the time. (Yes, Bitcoin is not static as many people think).

The old system is not at all efficient for transactions. Vendors hate credit cards for a reason. Visa alone made 20 Billion Dollars in revenue last year for a reason.

Bitcoin can scale infinitely via the Lightning Network.

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Imagine a world where not everyone used the dollar. Then imagine having to support different currencies and ensuring that your price per article stayed in line with currency fluctuations.

Translate the payments to some abstract credits with consistent rate across currencies. Then just forex the money received to euros or dollars or what ever your local currency is. Actually, there is already a massive platform that does this sort of thing with what really are microtransactions too and even in local currencies, namely Steam.

Yep, and I bet that’s non trivial and takes a lot of resources to maintain. Selling games is also their core business.

Seems like a cryptocurrency fits nicely into “abstract credits with a consistent rate across currencies”.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

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post #45
post #4

Absolutely incredible news. Micropayments are one of the paths out of advertiser hell and were one of the original dreams of many crypto nerds and advocates. I still think that twitter is pure mind cancer, but I have to give it to Jack on this. Great move, and something I hope gets repeated to the rest of the web. For those who aren’t very familiar with the crypto space: this uses a bitcoin side chain called lightnin…

Leaving BTC and lighting aside, I don't think most people would opt out of ads in favor of micro payments. There is a minority who have the money that would but I see nothing in society that points to making such a change possible. Do you have any studies that show people would pay for news/socials/etc. in exchange for no ads/tracking/+privacy? Even the paid streaming services have ads and even when you pay, I'm sure…

I pay for Youtube and multiple podcasts on Patreon for exactly this reason. I think both ad-supported and subscription-supported are viable, and where possible creators should support both.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#58

Why does Twitter need to enable anything for users to receive Bitcoin? Couldn't the users just pin a tweet to the top of their profile "Hey, if you want to tip us, here is our Bitcoin address: ..."? And for receiving Bitcoin via the Lighnight Network, I would expect it is similar?

See, the problem with your methods is that Twitter's not taking a cut. They might even require a user to leave Twitter for another site! And we can't have that.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

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Anyone else not really suprised. It's like they were actively in search of sharks to jump over for years. The question we should be asking is, what's next or why? I think this is for Only Fans uber-for-porn competition. If only a massive corporation could think beyond their wallet which may people put next to their second favourite organs!

HN will never understand crypto / blockchain. Bitcoin and NFTs are amazing tools with huge potential for monetization of all sorts of digital goods. It has never been a better time to be a digital artist and earn a living. The lack of imagination and "get off my lawn" around here is absurd.

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Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

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HN will never understand crypto / blockchain. Bitcoin and NFTs are amazing tools with huge potential for monetization of all sorts of digital goods. It has never been a better time to be a digital artist and earn a living. The lack of imagination and "get off my lawn" around here is absurd.

The problem is that HN actually does understand crypto and blockchain. The layperson might believe the myth that NFTs, for example, are "amazing tools with huge potential for monetization of all sorts of digital goods", but most of HN will know the reality - you are "buying" nothing more than a URL in a JSON file (i.e. no legal ownership of anything), almost all artists will lose money (there are over 20M listings on…

> you are "buying" nothing more than a URL in a JSON file (i.e. no legal ownership of anything),

This is wrong. I can see why you think it, but it is wrong.

The URL in the JSON file is free, as is the artwork that it points to. It's very hard to restrict the copying of digital artworks anyway, so why bother trying to?

The person buying the NFT is not "buying a URL". This phrase doesn't even mean anything! What they are buying is control of a record on the blockchain, which (with some slight hand-waving) contains a list of the signatures of the previous owners, including the original creator or their agent. While it is trivial to copy a JPEG, it is not at all trivial to copy the list of signatures from one part of a blockchain to another, unless you happen to have the private keys of all of the previous owners.

As such, the JPEG is abundant but the record is scarce. This mirrors the physical world, in which Picasso prints are abundant but signed originals are rare and hard to copy. What you're paying for is the uniqueness of the signature, not the ability to look at the content of the artwork, which you can probably already do for free on the internet.

"No legal ownership of anything" is not really true. You do legally own the blockchain record! You can decide whether to sell it or keep it, and you can generally dispose of it as you would with any other property. You don't legally own the copyright of the artwork, but as we've already established, that copyright probably isn't worth very much.

Your other statements may be perfectly accurate - I can't imagine 20M artists on OpenSea all turning a profit, and I imagine that a lot of the investors are likely to lose some money too. I just don't think that this has anything to do with faulty assumptions about how NFTs work.

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