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Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

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Re: Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

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post #22

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Agreed with you. FF was my main mobile browser when I could -block ads -modify default text size (so I could read websites like old.reddit.com without having to zoom in) There were a whole lot of other great features that weren't dealbreakers without. Now? It's just weird.

What's weird about it? Works how I would expect.

The article mentions some of the many bugs one can anticipate.

Re: Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

#52
post #21

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You might like Vivaldi. Basically Chrome w/ adblock without Brave's business model. Built by the team that left after Opera's purchase.

Does Vivaldi support add-ons/extensions on android? I don't see it mentioned on the landing page. Granted, ad-block is the primary one and included by default in Vivaldi, but I still like there being a possibility for extensibility even if what's supported on Firefox for Android is limited.

Unfortunately not. This is why I considered FF before last years release to have been _the_ browser for Android.

Re: Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

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> I should write a "I'm perfectly happy with Firefox, happier than I would be with any other browser" blog post and see if it gets any attention. And here I was thinking the post missed a lot of issues maybe I should create another blog post. Stop defending something that really has issues. This fanboy behaviour ends up hurting the very thing we love.

Constructive criticism is important. However, praising things that are working well when everybody else is layering on the negativity with a trowel regarding the "death" of Firefox, and how it is a "mess" is important so that we don't end up with more undesirable changes made.

A bit of pushback here. There are a small, vocal contingent* of users who like to sing the praises and drown out real concerns.

* based on Play store reviews versus the vociferous defense one finds on here & r/technology when the issue is raised

Re: Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

#54
post #37

I have an even more infuriating issue with the urlbar suggestions. About 50% of the time I type something in, it will find an url suggestion for the first letter or so but keep that suggestion at the end as I keep typing, unless I press backspace before enter. e.g. "hot tubs for salettps://news.ycombinator.com"

Another annoying thing with the urlbar is when searching something (at least with Google).

Say you have set Google as your default search engine and you type 'giant books' in the urlbar (sans the quote marks). It will show that results page from Google. But say you want to look for giant books _only in your country_. So what I usually do is to add '.co' (or your country's suffix) after the '.com'. You'd tape on the urlbar, scroll until you find the '.com' and add the '.co'.

But nope. It won't let you modify the URL. For some weird reason it keeps showing the query string you originally typed, in this case 'giant books'. I haven't been able to find something that lets me modify the URL when searching something. In the example, I need to type 'google.com.co', retype the query string and search again.

Re: Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

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We will continue to see posts like this till enough users are turned off by them and Firefox will no longer be a viable browser to run as a user or support as a dev. You are comparing the last truly free alternative to a browser built by ad grubby organisation. While a vocal minority keeps doing this the rest of us are happily using it without issues.

You don't like Firefox? Great! Chrome is just a click away. Feel free to enjoy the 'personalised' ad experiences there. Just don't spoil it for the rest of us happy users whose best outcome at this point is a few more ad free years of Firefox before morons like this who don't have big picture in mind end up killing it for good.

Re: Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

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post #47

As an aside, I notice "let me preface this..." introductions more often than I used to. I don't know what to make of it but I've found myself writing it some times, and when I do it, it's because I'm imagining a specific audience and trying to mitigate their backlash. Or I'm being too self-aware in the writing and assuming things readers don't. The article starts off better without the apologetic rationalisation of s…

My personal reason for beginning the post the way I did is because of the ease of misinterpreting someone's tone when the communication is only textual, and that you lose the extra context you might gain when being able to hear someone's voice.

I'm not angry at Mozilla because of the frustration I feel when trying to use Fenix as intended. I only wish that there was some way we could have a stable alternative to Chrome on Android with support for WebExtensions, and there appear to be several issues preventing that wish from coming true.

And I do not want to seem like I'm trying to attack anyone by trying to explain why I felt the frustration I did. I personally believe that declaring my intentions in a precise manner upfront is a reasonable step to take for a post like this.

Re: Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

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I'm perfectly happy with Firefox, both desktop and mobile. It works very well and I never have problems with it. It blocks ads on mobile and chrome doesn't. As far as I have seen, it's fast. I don't notice a difference on the rare occasion I open chromium to check and see that some application will look the same for a client as it does for me. But I guess it's always true: people go out of their way to complain, but…

I have two complaints for Firefox Mobile (Android.

1. `about:config` is disabled on Stable branch, if you want to access it you need to use the Beta branch. Why is that the case? You don't see the same arbitrary limitation on desktop.

2. It seems to have issue loading a page randomly from time to time, and even trying to reload or open a different URL doesn't work, kinda like as if the tab itself crashed and became unresponsive. I haven't found a cause yet, and I don't know if I'm the only one.

Re: Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

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Mozilla would instantly recover a ton of goodwill by allowing users to install any WebExtension on Firefox for Android without having to go through a strange activation ritual that only works on the Nightly channel.* Considering how stable the extensions have been for me, I'm baffled at how Mozilla is not even letting the Beta channel test them. * https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extensio...

Everyone's been gradually removing user empowerment features from browsers for years. I wonder if they just want us to get used to no or only a few curated extensions.

Firefox is odd in this regard, though. Chrome tried to make it so you could only add extensions while signed in to Google, but have since abandoned that policy and currently permits side loading, while Firefox doesn't allow any extensions that haven't been signed by their certificate which means that if they forget to renew that certificate you can't use any extensions...which actually happened. It's bizarre to me that Chrome offers more user agency in this regard than Firefox.

Re: Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

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We will continue to see posts like this till enough users are turned off by them and Firefox will no longer be a viable browser to run as a user or support as a dev. You are comparing the last truly free alternative to a browser built by ad grubby organisation. While a vocal minority keeps doing this the rest of us are happily using it without issues. You don't like Firefox? Great! Chrome is just a click away. Feel f…

Moving away from Fenix does not mean that I no longer believe that advertising is universally harmful for the people who are constantly subjected to it. As I mentioned in my post, I am still a user of Firefox on desktop, and I wouldn't think of browsing the modern web without an adblocker anymore. The problem is that Fenix in its current state is too immature for me to use in a practical, day-to-day manner. That does not mean that Fenix cannot be improved in the future, and I absolutely believe that Mozilla is capable of doing so if they restructure their priorities.

I am concerned about the future of Firefox as much as you are, and that is the reason I wrote this post. I wanted more people to know of Fenix's issues so that it can ultimately become a better browser.

Re: Firefox for Android is a mess, and something needs to change

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Unfortunately, this is what actual Mozilla developers think about posts like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20200731211652/https://www.twitt... It's sad.

Hello that is me. I left almost a year ago. I posted that as a joke after years of abuse and it was directed towards those abusive community members. I had no ill will towards users. In fact, users are why I stayed so long and tried to improve the product. I agree with some of the criticisms in this post. The fact you’re still using me, the most public facing woman on the project, as a scapegoat and target for your frustrations is predictable but sad. In general targeting one dev will not get you anywhere.
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