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Linux on the Desktop: Part Two

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Re: Linux on the Desktop: Part Two

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Post by nbzso »

_pgu wrote: post #42
nbzso wrote: post #38

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Basic info : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_gray Apple Soundtrack Pro manual for visual reference: https://usermanual.wiki/Apple/SoundtrackPro30.691501040/view I fine tune it my self, there is a room for interpretation over basic middle gray as lightness value, you can colorize it with subtle bluish, greenish or warm colors. Soundtrack Pro example is well balanced implementation. When they released it I thought…

Thanks, seems indeed very balanced. I´d prefer a warmer touch like going a bit in the direction of solarized light. Maybe i should try and tweek it.

I have started KDE color transfer of Soundtrack Pro. It is low contrast and takes some time to adjust but I find it useful for long hours of work. I prefer most of the contrast to stay in active working area/canvas etc. It is WIP and needs some polish but is a start. May be I will do more neutral version, Soundtrack is more towards blue/violet gamma. https://we.tl/t-v5SjRKTjRM Combine this with Inter or SF Display and you will have clean and professional interface.

Re: Linux on the Desktop: Part Two

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Post by bmn__ »

scns wrote: post #46
_Understated_ wrote: post #27

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> The best thing good OS can do for me, is not to get in my way when I run apps This has always been my complaint about Windows. I've long considered the OS as a tool to launch my apps ONLY!. That's it! Of course, under the surface there are a few more things that it needs to perform like not corrupting my data, being secure and protecting me from attacks and so on but it's purpose is a toolbox. Carpenters don't use…

Good idea, give it a try. I'd recommend Kubuntu or Mint with Cinnamon. I switched to KDE for KDE Connects' amazing smartphone (Android) integration, which i recommend srrongly to try. Switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed myself, best KDE implemention IMHO, rolling release and the software selection is great, whats missing from the repos can be installed via opi, a client for [0]. It is not that newbie friendly though, sin…

> opi

Phones home to domain `guoyunhe.me`. Not cool! I only noticed because the host is down.

Plain zypper already works for installing from OBS. Click "expert download" link on a package search result page, or click "download package" on an OBS project page. Example: https://software.opensuse.org/download?project=openSUSE%3AFa...>

Re: Linux on the Desktop: Part Two

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

nix23 wrote: post #37
pjmlp wrote: post #34

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Well, my Windows applications from 2000 can still run on Windows 10, without being recompiled, regardless of the UI changes.

Some, not all. And Wine/Proton is (i would say) more compatible with old Windows-Apps then Windows itself, not even talking about dosbox/dosbox-x.

Ironically what this means is that Linux Desktop has better compatibility with Windows binaries than it does with its own binaries from the near past. The Windows APIs are stable enough to make that possible.

Re: Linux on the Desktop: Part Two

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Post by ekianjo »

scns wrote: post #46
_Understated_ wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The best thing good OS can do for me, is not to get in my way when I run apps This has always been my complaint about Windows. I've long considered the OS as a tool to launch my apps ONLY!. That's it! Of course, under the surface there are a few more things that it needs to perform like not corrupting my data, being secure and protecting me from attacks and so on but it's purpose is a toolbox. Carpenters don't use…

Good idea, give it a try. I'd recommend Kubuntu or Mint with Cinnamon. I switched to KDE for KDE Connects' amazing smartphone (Android) integration, which i recommend srrongly to try. Switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed myself, best KDE implemention IMHO, rolling release and the software selection is great, whats missing from the repos can be installed via opi, a client for [0]. It is not that newbie friendly though, sin…

there is gsconnect on Gnome as well.

Re: Linux on the Desktop: Part Two

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Post by nix23 »

pjmlp wrote: post #41
nix23 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some, not all. And Wine/Proton is (i would say) more compatible with old Windows-Apps then Windows itself, not even talking about dosbox/dosbox-x.

So what is the value of Linux when it needs to play OS/2 Windows compatibility flag? It did plenty of good to OS/2 native applications. And some is still more than I could say for something compiled in Red Hat Linux (!Enterprise) or Mandrake, to put it in perspective regarding 2000.

> So what is the value of Linux when it needs to play OS/2 Windows compatibility flag?

What's the value of Windows if it has worse compatibility to is former incarnations?

>And some is still more than I could say for something compiled in Red Hat Linux (!Enterprise) or Mandrake, to put it in perspective regarding 2000

It could be always worse and better, let's talk about z/OS

Re: Linux on the Desktop: Part Two

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Post by raffraffraff »

INTPenis wrote: post #32
dvh wrote: post #17

When you switch to Linux (desktop), you should seek something that Windows cannot offer. I'm my case, it was possibility of having desktop where change for the sake of change is completely absent. My desktop is fully up to date, yet it hasn't changed visually since 2006. Every control and menu item is where it was 15 years ago, colors are the same, fonts are the same. I'm not using OS, I'm using apps. The best thing…

The tiny changes in the DE are minimal compared to the massive changes under the hood. I can learn a new Gnome DE layout in a few days. But in the same period as Gnome has evolved we have gotten systemd, pulse, pipewire, new file systems and a lot more. The list is literally too long to list here. And each of those changes bring with them a new UI/UX. So keeping the desktop static is not as important as keeping the d…

Same reasons, except that's why I use XFCE.

Re: Linux on the Desktop: Part Two

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Post by ziml77 »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #24
tambourine_man wrote: post #11

I really don’t understand the appeal of this “gamer“ aesthetic. Colorful LEDs, huge liquid coolers… definitively not for me.

There are 'solutions' to this [1] https://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/3351 or the smaller [2] https://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/1074 if one doesn't need up to 250W CPU cooling performance. This 'top-blow/blow down' stuff has other benefits, though, since more airstream is reaching the VRMs and the RAM. (usually, sometimes not, as it depends on layout of the board) edit: I know there are many, many otheres, compar…

It's not a waste from an aesthetic perspective. Some people treat their builds like a functional art piece and don't want that giant hunk of metal in the middle of their case. A water cooled setup moves the bulk of the cooler to the edge of the case.

Re: Linux on the Desktop: Part Two

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Post by vbezhenar »

dvh wrote: post #17

When you switch to Linux (desktop), you should seek something that Windows cannot offer. I'm my case, it was possibility of having desktop where change for the sake of change is completely absent. My desktop is fully up to date, yet it hasn't changed visually since 2006. Every control and menu item is where it was 15 years ago, colors are the same, fonts are the same. I'm not using OS, I'm using apps. The best thing…

For me, Linux have two killer features:

1. Native docker support which runs on the same kernel, shares the same RAM. It's better than Docker in VM.

2. Sane virtualization story. Windows has Hyper-V, VirtualBox has its own stuff, they conflict, if they don't conflict, VirtualBox runs slow as molasses, Android installs some intel hax to work in Windows. WSL provides its own virtual machine, docker provides its own virtual machine. It's a mess! With Linux it's pretty simple: everyone just uses KVM which just works. I run my Windows VM with simple bash script. Perfect!

Also I can't really claim it, but I still think that Linux works better under heavy load with slow CPU. I have very slow mobile 2-core Intel i3. I can run docker containers, Windows VM, IntelliJ Idea, Android Studio, Android Emulator, Factorio. All at once! I just need enough RAM, that is. Of course I can get occasional lag if something taxes my little CPU. But it's very usable. Unless I run Chrome. Chrome is bad.

With Windows, I can run less applications at once. I guess that with powerful CPU that's not really an issue, so I kind of handicapped myself with slow CPU, but whatever.

Re: Linux on the Desktop: Part Two

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Post by pjmlp »

nix23 wrote: post #55
pjmlp wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is the value of Linux when it needs to play OS/2 Windows compatibility flag? It did plenty of good to OS/2 native applications. And some is still more than I could say for something compiled in Red Hat Linux (!Enterprise) or Mandrake, to put it in perspective regarding 2000.

> So what is the value of Linux when it needs to play OS/2 Windows compatibility flag? What's the value of Windows if it has worse compatibility to is former incarnations? >And some is still more than I could say for something compiled in Red Hat Linux (!Enterprise) or Mandrake, to put it in perspective regarding 2000 It could be always worse and better, let's talk about z/OS

Except it doesn't, not to the extent of how bad Linux does it.

I really would like to see IBM marketing materials about the Year of z/OS Desktop.

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