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Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by wlesieutre » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:57 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #30

"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

Why did the car want to swerve right in the first place? You can see the route map on the display, it was going straight through this intersection.

EDIT - other people are pointing out the "no right turn" sign but I believe that's for cars to the left of the elevated tracks. The sign hanging by the traffic lights indicates the crossing road is one-way to the right, so that turn should be legal from where the Tesla is.

But it isn't planning a turn here so I don't think you can say "it would've made a tight turn and cleared the pedestrians." It looks like it has no idea where it's going and could have wanted to make a wide turn into the left lane, or even be swerving far out of its lane and then back in because it interpreted the intersection as something like a lane shift.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by mwint » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:58 PM UTC

This looks like a weird navigation failure. It certainly shouldn't have made this maneuver at all, but it's provably false to say it would have run over the pedestrians... this frame shows it:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/2KymN.png

Context - this is after the sudden sharp turn, as the driver is taking over.

- We can see the system is still driving itself; the driver has not taken over and is not a factor. The blue steering wheel shows this.

- The dotted line coming off the car shows its intended path. If you step through the video, you can see it decide it's going to make the turn (for some unknown reason).

- Before the driver takes over, as this frame shows, we see the car decide to turn back to the left and resume its correct course. In fact, if you step through the video, you can see the car is turning the wheel to the left, rotating under the driver's hands before the driver applies enough force to disengage.

- The car was aware of the pedestrian at the time it decided to make the turn (you can see them on the screen), and its clear the path would not have collided with the person even if the driver had not taken over, and the car had not corrected itself.

- But the car did correct itself, and intended to resume its straight course before the driver took over, as that frame above shows.

This is not "Tesla almost hits pedestrian!", this is "Tesla makes bad navigation decision, driver takes over before car would have safely corrected"

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by brown9-2 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:58 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #30

"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

People aren’t bothered by how close the car came to the pedestrians - it’s the fact that the autopilot was programmed to go in a straight line and at an intersection decided to steer into a crosswalk.

Not to mention the fact that it seems entirely legal for a company like Tesla to test such dangerous functionality on public streets with other drivers and pedestrians, with zero permission or regulation.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by staticassertion » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:58 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #30

"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

The car veers pretty aggressively and suddenly. "Almost hitting" or not, this looks dangerous.

> This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in cities.

Yeah and I'm usually yelling at the idiot that wasn't looking where they were driving.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by kbenson » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:58 PM UTC

stagger87 wrote: post #31

aquadrop wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Car doesn't yield to pedestrians". For "almost hit" I would expect car to run by pedestrian in less than half a meter or for pedestrian having to react quickly to avoid car.

It makes more sense when you realize the car wasn't even supposed to be turning. Look at the nav screen. If this guy didn't take over, where exactly was the car going? I think it's very easy to speculate it wouldn't have ended well.

It looks like it re-routed down the side street at exactly that moment. You can see the projected path line shift to that street immediately before.

It doesn't look like it would have hit anyone to me (it was only partway through turning, so was facing people when it or he aborted it, but that's not the path shown on the display), but it was definitely an illegal move.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by jeffbee » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:58 PM UTC

GDC7 wrote: post #21

Can anybody update on who Tesla fans perceive as their mortal enemy right now? First it was big oil, then it was shortsellers, but I found those narratives sort of died out. Who are they beefing with right now?

The NTSB.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by kube-system » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:59 PM UTC

ashafer wrote: post #15

literallyaduck wrote: post #6

Not familiar with how the autopilot works, but the guy is touch the wheel a lot, is it the car driving, both, or just manual control? If it is just the car, it looks like it was trying to turn and didn't consider the people in the crosswalk. Edit: thanks for the explanation.

iirc the car does all the driving but you have to have a hand "on the wheel" so they don't technically have to legally classify it as a self driving car or something. I'm guessing if he is videoing it and hovering over the wheel that much this has happened before and he is nervously expecting it?

Tesla has caused a lot of confusion by calling this system "full self driving", but in reality, this system is an SAE level 2 driver assistance system where the human is required to be in charge of driving at all times.

https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/gallery/cm/articles/pre...

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by spullara » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:59 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #30

"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

Early on I was thinking that self-driving cars would have to have some kind of "face" for just this kind of interaction to occur.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by paxys » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:59 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #30

"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

Almost hitting is an exaggeration, but making a right turn while pedestrians have started crossing at an intersection is a 100% incorrect (and likely illegal) action. It's concerning to me that the "full self driving" car cannot successfully handle this very common everyday occurrence.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by emn13 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:00 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #30

"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

The pedestrian stopped as soon as they saw the car suddenly veering towards them; not just once the driver intervened, as far as I can tell.

Whatever the hypothetical (it certainly might have missed the pedestrian, or made a last second emergency stop) - it suddenly veered towards a pedestrian that was already walking on the road, and that alone is absolutely not OK. Scaring the living daylights out of people isn't acceptable, even if you might not have killed them without an intervention. And let's be fair, if the pedestrian had not paid attention, and the driver neither, this certainly could have lead to an accident. Even if it were "just" an unexpected emergency stop; that itself isn't without risk.