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How Many People Can Someone Lead?

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Re: How Many People Can Someone Lead?

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You missed the part where she's criminally underpaid for the work she does.

But she gets her summers off! /s It's crazy how underpaid teachers are.

My son’s kindergarten teacher (at a public school in suburban Chicago) makes $76,000 per year. He has 16 classmates and it’s an all-day program.

Re: How Many People Can Someone Lead?

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What does "TFA" mean?

The f**ing article. A piece of internet slang that goes back many years, possibly originating on Slashdot and referring to the article that we're discussing here.

May have come from RTFM (manual) which according to this wikipedia link may have originated in 1979 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFA

Re: How Many People Can Someone Lead?

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TFA implicitly conflates "leadership" and "management", suggesting that the author is oblivious to the distinction. Even when the author describes dividing the responsibilities of "leadership" among multiple people, they describe dividing both leadership and management responsibilities between those people. This is an authoritarian model that makes the local despot the bottleneck for the team: Decisions end up being…

One interesting note is that some people actually want an authoritarian leader because they don't want responsibility or more things to think about. I was talking online about how much I delegate to my team and I got responses along the lines of "the tech lead or manager should do all of that, why should I be doing their job." >The best managers don't have a hard time finding talent for open positions on their teams:…

> some people actually want an authoritarian leader because they don't want responsibility or more things to think about.

It's easier to leave work at work that way.

1. Show up 2. Do work 3. Get paid 4. Leave

Your brain is freed to think of important things rather than work minutia. Of course, jobs like this often are mind-numbing if you're not the type to think with one half of the brain and do with the other and don't pay particularly great (in general).

Re: How Many People Can Someone Lead?

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My spouse both leads and manages ~24 direct reports, each of which require near continuous instruction, supervision, mentoring and encouragement. Her role demands an advanced degree with on-going education and certification requirements; exhaustive planning; an endless well of optimism; extensive individualized communication with third-party stake-holders; detailed performance accounting and reporting to stake-holder…

You missed the part where she's criminally underpaid for the work she does.

That depends heavily on the location (i.e. school district). Last time I looked at the school district budgets, school teachers where I live make, on average over $100k/yr plus health insurance and a sweet pension plan. The next town over, I think they make half that.

Re: How Many People Can Someone Lead?

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I'd heard this anecdotally in the past, apparently there's some meat to it. The Marines have this number set to 3. Marines obviously have different scenarios they have to deal with than most organizations. But it's still an interesting idea. https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/the-us-marine-corps-uses-...

I had an instructor at MIT who claimed he could prove via circuit theory that the correct number of direct reports for any manager was e.

Re: How Many People Can Someone Lead?

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Any number of people.

Probably the author meant "supervise".

There is fundamental difference between leadership and management and it is pretty poor performance on author's part to write about leadership and management and not realize this.

Re: How Many People Can Someone Lead?

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If you work in a matrix organization you’ll work on many projects which have have many managers and as a manager you’ll manage multiple projects involving much more than 4 or 5 people. TFA seemed to be getting at this with multiple managers but didn’t take it all the way through. Matrix management is not a panacea but it does help productivity by making sure that there is almost always some progress happening and that nobody is sitting still.

Re: How Many People Can Someone Lead?

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But she gets her summers off! /s It's crazy how underpaid teachers are.

It's a wonder anyone wants to do the job at all, knowing all this in advance. I almost became a teacher once. Figured all the abuse would be a degrading waste of my efforts.

Maybe not everyone's motivated by money?

Re: How Many People Can Someone Lead?

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post #55

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You missed the part where she's criminally underpaid for the work she does.

That depends heavily on the location (i.e. school district). Last time I looked at the school district budgets, school teachers where I live make, on average over $100k/yr plus health insurance and a sweet pension plan. The next town over, I think they make half that.

If you live in a school district with taxes high enough to pay that to teachers. They are still possibly underpaid.
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