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Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by oneplane » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 1:39 PM UTC

marcinzm wrote: post #26

Factorium wrote: post #23

ICE motorbikes seem like the most obvious type of vehicle to immediately mandate 100% EV, with an aggressive target like 12 months (to clear out existing inventory). The segment and vehicles themselves are small enough that this changeover can be made fairly easily, with immense benefits for noise pollution in cities.

Batteries are heavy and bulky so difficult to fit in a bike. Moreover the noise is on purpose so they'd just add a loudspeaker or something instead.

Perhaps they could just put the noise in an headphone and leave the rest of us in peace. They get the experience they want, and we get to ignore it.

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by foepys » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

crims0n wrote: post #38

Factorium wrote: post #23

ICE motorbikes seem like the most obvious type of vehicle to immediately mandate 100% EV, with an aggressive target like 12 months (to clear out existing inventory). The segment and vehicles themselves are small enough that this changeover can be made fairly easily, with immense benefits for noise pollution in cities.

That is one way to kill an entire industry. Electric motorcycles have been here for years, nobody is adopting them because nobody wants them. They are closer to electric bicycles than they are motorbikes. When I jump on my motorcycle, it is about the experience - not anything practical. The startup ritual, the heat of the engine on a cool day, the symphony of sound and vibrations, the weight of what is under you, the…

Plus electric motorcycles are loud, they make a high pitched sound. German motorcycle magazine "Motorrad" does a huge test with almost all motorcycles on the market in the Alps every year. They test a lot of things there, including noise levels.

The loudest motorcycle this year when in motion? An electric motorcycle.

This obviously not including aftermarket exhausts.

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by willis936 » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 1:41 PM UTC

oskapt wrote: post #47

kingkawn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the bikes being loud enough that everyone knows you’re coming is life and death issue on the road surrounded by huge cars and trucks

This doesn’t deserve to be downvoted. The statement is correct. I have a permanently destroyed right foot and ankle because someone made a left turn from the right lane just outside the Holland Tunnel in NJ back in 2004. The driver “didn’t see me” before making the illegal turn and planting his Mercedes horizontally across my lane as he slowed to enter the gas station driveway. I laid my quiet 800cc bike down and plo…

>back in 2004

>distracted by their phones

Have the roads gotten more dangerous in the past 15 years?

Also the issue people have with loud exhaust is not that it draws attention on the highway; it's that people use it as a tool to be obnoxious. When I lived in a small town I would regularly get woken up at 2am by some shmuck opening up on main street. The entire town would be woken up. I had the urge to chase them down. It's not good for anyone.

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by dijit » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 1:42 PM UTC

oskapt wrote: post #47

kingkawn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the bikes being loud enough that everyone knows you’re coming is life and death issue on the road surrounded by huge cars and trucks

This doesn’t deserve to be downvoted. The statement is correct. I have a permanently destroyed right foot and ankle because someone made a left turn from the right lane just outside the Holland Tunnel in NJ back in 2004. The driver “didn’t see me” before making the illegal turn and planting his Mercedes horizontally across my lane as he slowed to enter the gas station driveway. I laid my quiet 800cc bike down and plo…

I'm sorry to hear that, but it's unlikely to improbable that "bike wasn't loud enough" was the cause there.

Throwing away the idea that people in cars don't impede their own hearing with radio stations and music; sound produced by engines is not fantastically directional to hear and mostly trails behind bikes (due to that being the location of the exhaust).

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by technoplato » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 1:42 PM UTC

spockz wrote: post #7

sgt wrote: post #2

The camera becomes blurry and shaky - completely useless. It's a common and well known issue if you happen to mount the phone on your handlebars (do NOT do this). I have several friends who've had this happen in the last year. All the way up to 12 Pro.

I wonder. Can this same happen on a dashboard mounted phone in a car?

Ignore the motorcycle bit completely and just think physics

You could trigger this on any oscillating “body” if that body is oscillating at a certain frequency and amplitude combination.

It just so happens motorcycle engines produce that combination. There would certainly be others. tHe sustained nature of the shaking would also be cause for concern but I didn’t see any mention of duration in the support article

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by technoplato » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

nicce wrote: post #30

_Microft wrote: post #4

This seems like something that could be detected while it’s happening (*). Maybe iPhones could warn users before lasting damage occurs? (*) Edit: I was assuming that damage to the camera accumulates over time. If it happens on short time scales or as a single event as nicce's reply seems to suggest, this renders the notification idea moot ofcourse.

It is very likely that it is too late on that point. It might be hard to detect or pick up your phone from your pockets when driving. Even harder if it is on chassis somewhere.

Could be interesting sci fi technology to “wrap” the sensitive parts in a shell kind of like a roly poly bug (it would have to be more than a wrap and more of securing foam that disappears, but interesting to ponder)

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by technoplato » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

nicce wrote: post #37

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #3

Their explanation seems legit but I do wonder how Apple would handle warranty claims to damages done to the camera system from strong vibrations. Like, does the iPhone internally log strong vibrations sensed through the gyro/accelerometer to invalidate warranty claims? I'm asking since most phones also have moisture stickers inside to invalidate warranty claims to to water damage.

This gets closer to slippery-slope argument, because in that case everything happens on black box software and is easier to manipulate or error prone. Apple can just say that logs say your gyro tells this and this. At which point you can’t trust for the warranty of your phone? Moisture stickers can be validated by third party in theory at least.

So too with gyroscopic readings unless you think those are fraudulent

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by sgt » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 1:46 PM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #9

spockz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder. Can this same happen on a dashboard mounted phone in a car?

No Source: personal experience

Cars are better insulated and vibrate less in the first place. But if you do offroad and gravel with lots of vibrations, I think it might increase the risk.

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by hjnilsson » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 1:53 PM UTC

runnerup wrote: post #18

gregdetre wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmmm, interesting. That hasn't been my personal experience.

Indeed, several years ago I took an iPhone 6S Plus on a roadtrip on a motorcycle, Yamaha FZ-600 for about 2500 miles, no issues. But I also had a quiet stock exhaust?

6S did not have the OIS or autofocus features that lead to this problem. There are no moving lens elements in that phone.

Re: High-powered motorcycle vibrations might impact iPhone camera

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Post by moonchrome » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 1:55 PM UTC

foepys wrote: post #44

moonchrome wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they just add/remove the DB killer (removing a small plug vs dismantling the exhaust)

With Euro4 and later exhausts this is no longer possible. Db killers need to be not removable, so you need to replace the whole slip-on.

Had a friend who put an Akrapovic on his MT-07 - DB killer is welded but once you drill through a small part on the weld you can remove it/put it back easily and the drill hole is covered by carbon shield so unless they disassemble the shield to check (and my friend had it like this for 5 years before selling IIRC) it was just pull out - put it back in for technical