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Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by 0x0nyandesu »

nomel wrote: post #48
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #35

To clarify, though, this is just an issue for people who are deliberately getting preview builds (aka beta testers), correct? The article feels pretty click-baity with that critical detail not part of the title.

This is like driving some prototype car and having the brakes go out when your tail light burns out. It's a serious concern because it's not something that should be able to happen, with a sane design. Sure, it's click-baity, but it's also insanity.

I've been on insider edition beta versions of windows for years and while I don't mind occasional hiccups stuff like this made me get rid of it. It was fine for a while but ever since the 20202H update it's been one major issue after another.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by mixmastamyk »

jussij wrote: post #44
meibo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

Is Windows 10 really that good? It's been some time now, but I still remember the first time I upgraded away from Windows 7 and feeling disappointed. Since then my hardware is massively more powerful, but I'm still to be convinced my current Windows 10 setup is better than that older Windows 7 setup.

Windows Terminal is arguably the only feature worth upgrading for in the last decade. I'm tempted to say two, but there were a number of important security improvements to go along with the UI regressions in that era.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by [deleted] »

whalesalad wrote: post #14

This is the achilles heel of Microsoft. They will cannibalize a successful part of their business in order to subsidize/bootstrap/launch or even straight-up force the adoption of new service. Every Windows release gets progressively worse when it comes to Microsoft's integrated services and how obtrusive they are. The cherry on top is the fact that Windows 10 Pro is $199 and yet you'll still feel like you are flying…

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by smallerfish »

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #19
azalemeth wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You've checked out system76's offerings? They're not 4k, but otherwise they seem nice.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by bitwize »

jussij wrote: post #44
meibo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

Is Windows 10 really that good? It's been some time now, but I still remember the first time I upgraded away from Windows 7 and feeling disappointed. Since then my hardware is massively more powerful, but I'm still to be convinced my current Windows 10 setup is better than that older Windows 7 setup.

Windows 10 is a really great OS marred by unfortunate business choices: ads, telemetry, settings scattered to the four winds, everything being so frickin' bloated you need 8 GiB and an SSD just to run Word acceptably.

It's funny because Windows went from "too unstable to be relied upon for anything" in the 9x era to "death by a thousand papercuts" today. It's like it's ruled by a law of conservation of awesome: for every feature there must be an equal and opposite misfeature.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by AlotOfReading »

reilly3000 wrote: post #32

For what it’s worth, the web has figured out ad serving. With stuff like SafeFrame there is decent sandboxing and exception handling. I’ve really not seen any ad serving outside of web and app sdks that doesn’t fail miserably on a technical level.

Has the web figured out ad serving? I was under the impression that malvertising was still very much an issue and even best-in-class security doesn't outright stop things like cryptominers, but instead simply prevents them from consuming too many resources. It's better than wherever MS used here, but I'm definitely not comfortable using the web without an adblocker.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by walrus01 »

clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

> Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world

It's absolutely not. The amount of things that use the Linux kernel for critical network and infrastructure projects, that are mostly hidden to the public... Or that are built on a foundation of something with a clear Linux heritage.

Windows is probably the most visible important piece of software with a GUI.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by eric__cartman »

BizarroLand wrote: post #18
hfktktnfkgk wrote: post #8

One bug I've been hitting for a couple of years on Windows 10: If the computer starts with a working Internet connection, but then you lose Internet, Start Menu search just stops working during net downtime. Meaning I type some app name like "calc" in the Start Menu search box and nothing appears! Which is absolutely ridiculous, I can't search for locally installed apps, or Windows settings. Even if I disabled Cortan…

For me, in Windows 10, I can type "calc" into the search menu and it will recommend and open the calendar app instead of the calculator app 2 out of 5 times. I will search for an app that I have installed and instead of opening the app it will open a bing search for the app that I have installed. It's so infuriating that if there were a M$ rep within arm reach I might be tempted to do violence towards them.

The search function in Windows 10 is pathetic. It almost seems like an April fool's joke that was left in place for too long. What is double stupid is that MS already had a working search built into the shell in Windows 7. It's like they don't understand that no one ever woke up one day and thought to themselves, "I hope I could search the web using the start menu in Windows".

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by reilly3000 »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #56
reilly3000 wrote: post #32

For what it’s worth, the web has figured out ad serving. With stuff like SafeFrame there is decent sandboxing and exception handling. I’ve really not seen any ad serving outside of web and app sdks that doesn’t fail miserably on a technical level.

Has the web figured out ad serving? I was under the impression that malvertising was still very much an issue and even best-in-class security doesn't outright stop things like cryptominers, but instead simply prevents them from consuming too many resources. It's better than wherever MS used here, but I'm definitely not comfortable using the web without an adblocker.

It’s not a solved issue to be certain, but sites that use a service like CleanCreative rarely have issues, as do any publishers that whitelist ads and advertisers.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by sleepytimetea »

HERE BE DRAGONS.

From the article comes this nugget of knowledge.

quote This problem combines two of latter-day Windows' most annoying tendencies. First, the operating system relentlessly promotes and prioritizes Microsoft's first-party apps and services. Second, the operating system talks to Microsoft's servers in the background to report diagnostic data, fetch advertisements, and even download Windows Store apps without asking. As Aleksandersen correctly points out, these non-essential background processes shouldn't be capable of breaking core functionality. unquote

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