Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…
The problem is people using it off label, in dangerous quantities, INSTEAD of taking the vaccine.
Why would it matter if the medical community thinks ivermectin is safe or not, if the people making this choice don’t trust medical science enough to take the vaccine.
This is a byproduct of the arcane US medical system. The rich see a doctor and get drugs and are warned off ivermectin. The poor see doctors with meters attached, insert $$, get advice, follow advice to pharmacy = another meter, insert $$. Even an ambulance can cost $1000. In Rest of world the state pays health, so the first doctor visit kill the ivermectin myth and they get the proper medication at a fraction of the…
I agree that our medical system is fucked, but what exactly are you referring to here? The process seems the same from when I was poor and now that I'm rich. Make appointment -> pay money -> see doctor -> get prescription -> go to pharmacy -> pay money -> get drugs. And the advice I get from doctors doesn't seem to be any better now. It's not like doctors that poor people see are intentionally giving bad medical advi…
Here in Canada, the payment is by the Ontario Health plan. I pay nothing except for a small list of meds, like colchicine.
This is an excellent system, conditions that need immediate attention are seen immediately, and treatment is fast. Elective procedures, like knees worn out take more time. Bad knee from car crash immediate system.
There is a steady loss of doctors to the USA, but the documentary process with a huge number of providers has led to fee based invoice creators, and there are fee based invoice deniers that make doctors wait long periods to be paid, and if they are denied = round again.
We now get as many doctors leaving as entering as the process can eat up half the doctor's time. Ask any US doctor about this process...
Disclaimer: I am not implying I buy into the theories about ivermectin being an effective treatment for COVID. This feels like another situation where the attempts to quell disinformation are having the opposite of their intended effect. Depending on where these people first learned of this drug, there is some pretty confusing information floating around. When someone like Bret Weinstein points out that ivermectin is…
The announcement is for people with basic reasoning skills, not for those that take drugs based on Facebook posts. Ivermectin, like many drugs, is used for various things. COVID is not one of them, and those pushing it have no expertise to understand the medical studies, nor are they interested in doing a comprehensive evaluation. Yet again, actual experts aren't on the playing field, it's talking heads and hired deg…
The announcement is for people with basic reasoning skills, not for those that take drugs based on Facebook posts. Ivermectin, like many drugs, is used for various things. COVID is not one of them, and those pushing it have no expertise to understand the medical studies, nor are they interested in doing a comprehensive evaluation. Yet again, actual experts aren't on the playing field, it's talking heads and hired deg…
Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. Are those "people with no expertise to understand the medical studies"?
> Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide.
[Citation needed]
Also, for those that are prescribing it, this is not an FDA approved treatment for Covid.
It's like when the CDC first said that masks are ineffective to try to keep people from hoarding them. People are wise to the game now, and expect that the CDC is saying things to influence behavior, rather than because they are true. Nobody trusts a salesman.
> It's like when the CDC first said that masks are ineffective to try to keep people from hoarding them. The way I remember it was more like, the CDC said: - They don't know yet if surgical (and in general, non-N95) masks are effective against COVID-19 spread. They never denied this for N95. - Hospitals are running out of surgical (and N95...) masks, and given the above, people should stop hoarding them. That seemed.…
We can see from this and other examples how the CDC lying to the public has backfired immensely.
Not that the CDC is incentivized much to care. The bigger the crisis the bigger the funding.
If, like European me, you're wondering how in the nine hells of Baator the US ended up in a situation whereby what a doctor prescribes has somehow become political, I found this primer (on Twitter) by the US Journalist Ben Collins to be highly informative:
Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…
The one that Americans would have access to for self treating COVID would be the horse variety unless they found doctors to prescribe them some.
This. You can't buy Ivermectin off the shelf except in animal preparations.
Disclaimer: I am not implying I buy into the theories about ivermectin being an effective treatment for COVID. This feels like another situation where the attempts to quell disinformation are having the opposite of their intended effect. Depending on where these people first learned of this drug, there is some pretty confusing information floating around. When someone like Bret Weinstein points out that ivermectin is…
It's like when the CDC first said that masks are ineffective to try to keep people from hoarding them. People are wise to the game now, and expect that the CDC is saying things to influence behavior, rather than because they are true. Nobody trusts a salesman.
The last study I saw seemed to imply that cloth masks have a very tiny effect, if any, but surgical masks are pretty good.
The problem is that the media doesn't do nuance, they write big bold headlines that are outrage bait to drive engagement. And more than a few people never read anything but the headline.
At this point, I feel like headlines themselves are harmful.
> Fool me once, shame on you [Tuskegee] I am so tired of seeing Tuskegee trotted out as an argument by anti vaxxers. The Tuskegee experiment specifically targeted a selected group of African Americans and was an overtly racist program. COVID vaccines on the other hand are not targeting a specific sample group, they are being given to virtually everyone. There's no sample group. The two are not remotely comparable.
It’s not the method, it’s that the government lied about medicine before. No reason they can’t do it again.
"the government lied about vaccines a couple times a few decades ago so they are forever untrustable. Far right wing talking heads like Alex Jones lie on a daily basis, but they're inexplicably trustworthy for medical advice because reasons!"
I love how they forgot about hydroxychloroquine. Wasn’t that one supposed to be the silver bullet that big pharma was hiding?
Fun fact, the clinical trials for hydroxychloroquine were basically shanked by data which made it appear dangerous that turned out to be completely fabricated.