A question - does Photoshop/AfterEffects/Premiere automatically embed a similar sort of a "watermark" to e.g. make tracking back meme authors possible? How about cameras?
Xiaomi Camera censoring German postal voting documents
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Re: Xiaomi Camera censoring German postal voting documents
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It’s probably unintended, but intentional censoring methods exist, as documented elsewhere in this thread. The most likely explanation seems to be this being a side-effect of those. Your explanations appear less likely, as I’d expect those types of bugs to show differently.
You believe what you want man, I personally don't buy it yet, and I'm not going to waste my brain power trying to convince people who are already convinced "It's the man! It must be the evil man!" and see any thing as proof of their evilness. "Most likely".. we live in different realities.
It sounds like you’re a strong anti-conspiracy theorist, but not every conspiracy theory is wrong just because most are wacky (that there was a cartel to limit the life span of light bulbs is a proven true conspiracy theory).
There’s plenty of evidence for „conspiracies“ similar to what’s suggested here - Eurion dots are absolutely real. That doesn’t mean that I believe they’re being employed here, but it seems like a good candidate for further inspection, especially because it‘s a hypothesis that is fairly easy to test.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
You believe what you want man, I personally don't buy it yet, and I'm not going to waste my brain power trying to convince people who are already convinced "It's the man! It must be the evil man!" and see any thing as proof of their evilness. "Most likely".. we live in different realities.
It sounds like you’re a strong anti-conspiracy theorist, but not every conspiracy theory is wrong just because most are wacky (that there was a cartel to limit the life span of light bulbs is a proven true conspiracy theory). There’s plenty of evidence for „conspiracies“ similar to what’s suggested here - Eurion dots are absolutely real. That doesn’t mean that I believe they’re being employed here, but it seems like…
It depends on your definition of "conspiracy theory", I thought that term used to mean explanations deemed to be nutty, but I guess you mean it literally.
Please, my mind is open, but as others have explained it's probably some image format being misinterpreted. To immediately put as prime suspect a theoretical secret government mandated software when a harmless photo of not-a-secret-document is corrupted is... nutjob-level insane.
If my car breaks down should I think "Oh shit the CIA/KGB/etc must've beamed a signal down from their satellite to jam my car's ECU", or should I wonder what part wore out? Original poster assumed the first with his "censored", while I'd like to explain there are a lot of possible harmless explanations. If someone's done a proper investigation and found censorship software, well I'll be damned, but before that, I'm not going to think "the men in black are out to get us!". People who think like that used to be found yelling on street corners, now they're all over the fucking Internet.
Read this to see why your brain maybe finds it more exciting to think it's a conspiracy: https://www.thestreet.com/phildavis/news/a-game-designers-an...
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> " This is reality. " No, it isn't. Go learn about the system they built instead of posting fearmongering lies about it.
You are missing the point. It’s too easy to make excuses “for the children”. We are tying to fight against dystopia here, against a global technological panopticon. Even if this feature was made with entirely the best intentions, with the strictest controls and best audits — it’s still a cop in your pocket. And that cop always wants more. And more. History has demonstrated this.
I don't know how you can fight against dystopia when you don't care about the difference betewen fantasy and reality.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The whole point here is that Apple is not scanning server side False. Apple complies with the laws pertaining to customer data and provides data as legally required. III. Information Available from Apple J. iCloud https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelin... > You need never use iCloud in any way whatsoever in order for Apple's new scanning tech to be used against you. False. Phones don’t downloa…
>> The whole point here is that Apple is not scanning server side >False. No, TRUE. Apple announced TWO difference technologies. The first one is specifically for completely independent machine learning client-side scanning of all messages. From Apple's own announcement: > First, new communication tools will enable parents to play a more informed role in helping their children navigate communication online. The Messa…
> "It could be applied to any ML model at all and the notifications sent to anyone at all"
This is the kind of FUD I keep calling out. Your position "it doesn't matter what they actually built, because I can fantasise a completely different system". Do you not see a massive gaping problem with that reasoning - to whit, it could apply to literally everything with the same predictive power? iTunes music match could look for any media, therefore it does. iOS update could install malware, therefore it does. Smartphone microphones could be listening, therefore they are. iOS and Android could send your GPS location back to head office even if you flick the software switch telling it not to, therefore they do. Apple pushed a U2 album onto your device, therefore they will push pro-China MP3 lectures onto your device and you will be forced to hear them.
It's bad (low quality) reasoning done in bad faith.
> "The system is now built and ready for governments to compel Apple to use for other things in complete violation of device owner's rights, backed by Apple's total ownership of device root."
Which they have said they won't do. Of course "facts don't matter, my fantasies are more real" is your position again.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are missing the point. It’s too easy to make excuses “for the children”. We are tying to fight against dystopia here, against a global technological panopticon. Even if this feature was made with entirely the best intentions, with the strictest controls and best audits — it’s still a cop in your pocket. And that cop always wants more. And more. History has demonstrated this.
I don't know how you can fight against dystopia when you don't care about the difference betewen fantasy and reality.
Fantasy is believing that granted powers will not be abused because the powerful claim they won’t abuse them. Yes, we extrapolate and this might seem outlandish to the naive. Some of us know how history rhymes and call out the patterns that are paving the road the hell.
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#57In some countries it is allowed to vote, but your employer or landlord may request you to prove to you that you voted for the „right“ guy by sending them a picture of your filled out ballot.
A feature like this (properly implemented) could actually be great for those countries.
The slippery slope argument still applies of course.
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#58Let’s have fun with this. Get a copy of the barcode or trigger and we can print it on a cheap line of clothing. Tshirts hats whatever
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>> The whole point here is that Apple is not scanning server side >False. No, TRUE. Apple announced TWO difference technologies. The first one is specifically for completely independent machine learning client-side scanning of all messages. From Apple's own announcement: > First, new communication tools will enable parents to play a more informed role in helping their children navigate communication online. The Messa…
> " It could be applied to any ML model at all and the notifications sent to anyone at all " This is the kind of FUD I keep calling out. Your position "it doesn't matter what they actually built, because I can fantasise a completely different system". Do you not see a massive gaping problem with that reasoning - to whit, it could apply to literally everything with the same predictive power? iTunes music match could l…
What an laugh of a trash post. There are plenty of angles of ignorance and outright ludicrous statements here, but your finale really underlines it:
>Which they have said they won't do.
What the hell? Apple just won't comply with governments using force against them? How in your magic world do you imagine them doing this? If China says "you will add this specified model to your detection or else we will kill iPhone production" what exactly do you imagine Apple is going to do? Apple has already caved there, repeatedly, such as with iCloud data itself. Or if the USA points out, correctly, that while it can't compel Apple to create something from scratch it is on much stronger ground to compel Apple to use capability it already has and successfully wins that now what? They're just going to defy the US Government and the feds will just shrug and say "oh nevermind jodrellblank already said on HN Apple won't do that"?
You throw around "bad faith", "FUD", and "fantasies are more real" and then just outright accept Apple saying "they won't do" something which equates to defying government. This is not going to strike anyone actually grounded in reality as a particularly "fact based" bit of reasoning on your part.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
> " It could be applied to any ML model at all and the notifications sent to anyone at all " This is the kind of FUD I keep calling out. Your position "it doesn't matter what they actually built, because I can fantasise a completely different system". Do you not see a massive gaping problem with that reasoning - to whit, it could apply to literally everything with the same predictive power? iTunes music match could l…
What an laugh of a trash post. There are plenty of angles of ignorance and outright ludicrous statements here, but your finale really underlines it: > Which they have said they won't do. What the hell? Apple just won't comply with governments using force against them? How in your magic world do you imagine them doing this? If China says "you will add this specified model to your detection or else we will kill iPhone…
> "say "oh nevermind jodrellblank already said on HN Apple won't do that""
I didn't say Apple won't do that, I said "Apple said they won't do that". I'm not making a claim of what will happen, I'm reporting a fact of what Apple said, which was this:
"“We have faced demands to build and deploy government-mandated changes that degrade the privacy of users before, and have steadfastly refused those demands. We will continue to refuse them in the future.”" and "“Let us be clear, this technology is limited to detecting CSAM stored in iCloud and we will not accede to any government’s request to expand it.”"[1]
[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/09/apple-will-reject-demands-to...