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Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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post #46

I don't usually like to be the one complaining about how bad Twitter is for quality tech threads like this. But wow, it seems you can no longer view any of the pictures or the rest of the thread without a Twitter account.

You can using one of the nitter instances:

https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/wiki/Instances

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

#52
post #11

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There is also another factor for some of us... Although practically I am interested in running Linux on an appleM1, my conscious will no longer allow me to fund the company producing it, so I can never own one.

Is buying a used M1 Mac an option?

Unfortunately not. Buying used Apple products benefits Apple indirectly by helping sustain resell value, which affects consumers willingness to part with more money for new products... I'd merely be indirectly funding Apple.

Perhaps it's over principled, I know I'm an insignificant spec in the market. However I cannot tolerate the idea of them obtaining monetary support from me - because then i'd be complicit in their immoral behaviour.

What would be wonderful is if the M1 was an effort independent of Apple. But the capitalist world is moving in a direction of more merging and vertical integration which makes it difficult to vote with your money when it gets redistributed into one enormous corporation... so the only remaining option is to not vote.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

#53
post #46

I don't usually like to be the one complaining about how bad Twitter is for quality tech threads like this. But wow, it seems you can no longer view any of the pictures or the rest of the thread without a Twitter account.

You can disable cookies and then view everything.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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> If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. Care to elaborate, or at least some names/models and opinions? I might be in the market for a fanless home server in that form factor. I might end up just buying a Synology but I would like to run HomeAssistant on it as well (although…

FYI, the Mac Mini M1 has a fan that never turns off. It's very quiet, but it is not 100% silent. To be fair, it is really hard to get the fan to speed up and make more noise.

Mine is off. The RPM reading is zero.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

#55
post #38

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

> the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis I'm not sure that's true. What the M1 gives you is an incredibly powerful processor that's also very power efficient. That gives you a spectacularly performing laptop with good battery life, making the M1 laptops compelling even if you want to run Linux. If you're plugged into the wall the M1s are still quick, but there are other options to get you into th…

I'm curious about the power efficiency. From all my experience, all laptops I had usually drained battery much faster on Linux than on Windows. And these were very standard mainstream machines. M1 is a proprietary CPU which requires reverse engineering to even make OS running. I wonder how close to "native" is the Linux going to get.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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post #55
post #38

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> the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis I'm not sure that's true. What the M1 gives you is an incredibly powerful processor that's also very power efficient. That gives you a spectacularly performing laptop with good battery life, making the M1 laptops compelling even if you want to run Linux. If you're plugged into the wall the M1s are still quick, but there are other options to get you into th…

I'm curious about the power efficiency. From all my experience, all laptops I had usually drained battery much faster on Linux than on Windows. And these were very standard mainstream machines. M1 is a proprietary CPU which requires reverse engineering to even make OS running. I wonder how close to "native" is the Linux going to get.

I doubt the CPU itself will be that much trouble, it's still mostly an ARM CPU.

Power draw problems usually arise because the drivers are half baked and don't know how to turn the peripherals off when they're not being used.

It might not be native power efficiency, but if non-M1 Mac linux experience is anything to go by then it's still plausible that it can run circles around x86 based laptops with good Linux driver support.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about making sense economically it's just that there are not many ARM platforms out there, so if you want a native ARM dev box, Apple is pretty much the only choice.

That's not true at all. There's plenty of ARM platforms out there, especially in the Linux world they've been around a long time (does the Raspberry PI ring any bells? Or Nvidia Jetson? Or Freescale iMX6? Or Beaglebone Black?). Of course, they don't have M1 performance, but best in class performance was not a condition in you statement.

You're right I should have said an arm laptop. Microsoft have (had?) one and that's pretty much it.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

#58
post #46

I don't usually like to be the one complaining about how bad Twitter is for quality tech threads like this. But wow, it seems you can no longer view any of the pictures or the rest of the thread without a Twitter account.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1432927311058194436.html

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

#59
post #46

I don't usually like to be the one complaining about how bad Twitter is for quality tech threads like this. But wow, it seems you can no longer view any of the pictures or the rest of the thread without a Twitter account.

Nitter is a great web client for Twitter. If your browser supports extensions, you can use the Privacy Redirect extension to automatically redirect Twitter requests to Nitter:

https://github.com/SimonBrazell/privacy-redirect

And if you are on Android, you can also use the Fritter client without a Twitter account:

https://github.com/jonjomckay/fritter

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