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Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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I'd just like to point out the irony of the bolded, all caps statement in this article, "You’ll NEVER get rich by working for someone else", the recent HN frontpage article about how Tim Cook got a $750 million payout working for Apple, and that the title of this post is "All Personal Finance Experts Are Liars".

One of the problems is that "rich" is relative. I was talking to a guy at an alumni event who said that managing partners are prone to fraud as they feel poor compared to their similarly ranked CEO friends.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

#52
This guy seems to be conflating “how to get rich/create wealth” with “how to not behave like a child financially”. Basically only four groups of people get richer 1) business owners, 2) people at the apex of a profession (professional sports/media/actors, partners at banks/law firms/consultancies, etc. 3) a subset of investors (this is where some FIRE types focus). 4) inherit/marry wealth

Most personal financial advice is not focused on getting rich, it’s how to improve your financial health.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

#53
A lot of these points are reasons why I like the Mr Money Mustache approach to financial independence.

You can be "rich" by having the freedom to spend your time on what you want, and appreciating the cornucopia of luxuries that make up a typical American middle class life.

You can get there by living (happily!) on a lot less than 100% of what you make, and saving the rest. With some simplifying assumptions about investment returns, the actual dollar amount a person makes doesn't matter; it's just the fraction of their net income that they need to maintain their lifestyle that informs how long until retirement. E.g. if you can save 50% of your income, you can retire in 17 years. https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-si...

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

#54
I consider myself rich, I work for someone else, and I don't have a side hustle.

I read Mr. Money Mustache's blog frequently when I was young; he has an important addition to what many of the mainstream personal finance books address. Being rich is more about freedom and personal happiness than it is having a lot of money. For many people, adjusting to slightly less nice but more affordable things is significantly easier than increasing their income by that same amount. Furthermore, every dollar you adjust to not needing is better than adding income - it compounds even faster because it goes into retirement with you and reduces your target savings amount.

But, going back to the post there are a _lot_ of people in the US and around the world that don't have the income required to have any sort of savings, even after adjusting down their lifestyle. This is a systemic but tractable problem. The solution isn't "get a side hustle" it's "the full time minimum wage should support a reasonable life".

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

#55
I think this is a pretty good article, though I'd think that most financial gurus aren't trying to lie, they're just trying to give advice that's feasible for a mass audience to try and learn.

To give an example; the article mentions Dave Ramsey talking down to his callers and giving generic advice such as cutting up your credit cards. I don't follow Ramsey too closely and can't read his mind, but I'd bet he's optimizing his advice for the least common denominator within a mass audience of financially troubled people. A small percentage of financially desperate people would hear great advice about credit cards (only use cards to buy stuff you have 100% of the cash for, and pay them back instantly to get some cash and rewards back) and not internalize that as something like (it's okay to keep using my card because I'm getting money back as long as I try and pay my bill every month). For a mass audience, the safest advice on credit cards that might make an impact is to just tell everybody with a financial problem to stop using them. On an individual level, a financial expert can probably give better advice that's more suitable.

If I had to give 1 bit of general financial advice though: develop your talent stack. It doesn't matter if it's learning a new programming language, wood-working, learning to fix cars or toilets, taking a foreign language class, learning how to paint, or growing a great garden. If you have multiple skills you have more opportunities to make money as well as combining those skills in unique ways to create new business ideas and concepts. And baring some health issue, nobody can ever take a skill away from you.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

#56
You’ll never get rich unless you start a business. Oh by the way, lucky you, I happen to be selling tips for making millions off a blog (just click this sponsored link. I made $6M with mine, I swear).

Seriously, since when did HN decide to sponsor this kind of self-interested clickbait?

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

#57
post #43

This seems like a good place to be vulnerable and ask for advice. I am 35 and still spend like in a teenager. I grew up really poor where if the money didn’t get spent right away it would just sort of disappear, into drugs or beer or whatever my mom and stepdad were spending it on. My only real asset is my house which has appreciate significantly in value, but all it would take is one job loss to get me behind on tha…

> I wish I could put money into an account that would then only disburse small amounts of it over the year, and I couldn’t override that.

I think this is called a trust: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_law

Also, if you are so inclined, check if you can replace your habit of trawling Amazon for stuff to buy with trawling Amazon looking for stuff to buy in the future. Personally, looking forward to buying the thing is at least 60% of the enjoyment.

Anyway, try seeing a psychotherapist. Someone serious with a degree. Your money problems seem to be at least partially learned, so they can be unlearned.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

#59

Tldr, you’ll only get rich by starting a business. Great advice for the tiny population of people who have the skills, the means, the discipline, and the time. That person he describes with $50k annual income, little or no savings, and significant credit card debt sure as hell isn’t starting a successful business, especially since they most likely have children and are working hard hours. He’s dismissive of being “le…

This may be true, but to be fair...

50 years ago, 70 years ago, an enormous series of treatments we now have, did not exist.

And even disease treatment options, even knowing how some diseases worked? Nope.

So medical care was less costly, because, there was literally less to be done. And people died at home more often too, as a result.

So naturally medical care was less costly.

And housing, the average family did not have a ginormous, 6000sq foot house. Try 1000 sq foot, 1500 sq foot as a norm.

So sure, less cost.

Same with all these fancy dodads.

Yes, 100% housing is more expensive due to low rate mortgages, and other reasons.

But in non-crazy priced locations, you can still build a small 150k, 250k house with land all in.

Some of it is indeed changing wages vs costs, but some is "more" vs wage.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

#60
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

$61.5k in yearly contributions is out of reach for most people. I can't even max out my 401k due to high cost of living (with a family) and mediocre income.

Totally - it was more of an example of the quality of the subreddits. If they’re willing to get those details right then they have the earlier steps really well established.

It's definitely high quality. I guess I'm just jaded about being a loser.
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