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Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by krastanov »

swayvil wrote: post #40
blunte wrote: post #18

It's one thing to censor, but it's another to intentionally deceive your users into believing that they sent something.

For another example of such totalitarian shenanigans consider the practice of "shadowbanning" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning Ostensibly used for spam/troll countermeasures. In practice used to dick with whoever they choose for whatever reasons please their black little hearts. Reddit and Twitter are notorious for it. Other "social media" organisms too. AND ANOTHER MORE IMMEDIATE EXAMPLE Consider the w…

How is this different from booing you for saying something stupid/wrong (or otherwise disliked even when smart/true) in a public venue. If anything, downvoting seems more honest and less "censorish" than booing, because you still get a chance to respond.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by 63 »

franciscop wrote: post #27

Wait I thought this was known? I remember seeing this behavior with a friend when I had FB, and I haven't had FB for 3-4 year already.

I had a similar reaction. I specifically remember sharing a pornhub link (it was not porn, but a movie someone had uploaded to the site) as a joke, but it wouldn't send. I guess the difference here is what's being censored.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by rubyist5eva »

graeme wrote: post #48
blunte wrote: post #18

It's one thing to censor, but it's another to intentionally deceive your users into believing that they sent something.

Hacker News does it. Reddit does it sitewide. Individual moderators do it sitewide. Shadowbanning is an essential tool for moderation, for dealing with trolls, spammers, abusive people. You can argue the tool is being used too widely by Facebook, but it is silly to pontificate against the practice as a whole. You reaaaaallly would not like the uncensored internet.

People use these things as alternatives to SMS or even the telephone (for audio chat). It would be absolutely ludicrous if telecoms started shadowbanning their customers, if Facebook wants to act like one it should play by the same rules.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

#54

Post by lmilcin »

graeme wrote: post #48
blunte wrote: post #18

It's one thing to censor, but it's another to intentionally deceive your users into believing that they sent something.

Hacker News does it. Reddit does it sitewide. Individual moderators do it sitewide. Shadowbanning is an essential tool for moderation, for dealing with trolls, spammers, abusive people. You can argue the tool is being used too widely by Facebook, but it is silly to pontificate against the practice as a whole. You reaaaaallly would not like the uncensored internet.

Hold your horses. It is not "the internet". It is private chat.

You need to understand difference between communication that is meant to be public from one that is meant to be private.

Law makes clear distinction.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by pope_meat »

graeme wrote: post #48
blunte wrote: post #18

It's one thing to censor, but it's another to intentionally deceive your users into believing that they sent something.

Hacker News does it. Reddit does it sitewide. Individual moderators do it sitewide. Shadowbanning is an essential tool for moderation, for dealing with trolls, spammers, abusive people. You can argue the tool is being used too widely by Facebook, but it is silly to pontificate against the practice as a whole. You reaaaaallly would not like the uncensored internet.

>You reaaaaallly would not like the uncensored internet.

Respectfully disagree. Watching things get disappeared on Reddit sent me in to an anxiety spiral.

I'll take goatse links over that shit any day of the week.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by bobmaxup »

graeme wrote: post #48
blunte wrote: post #18

It's one thing to censor, but it's another to intentionally deceive your users into believing that they sent something.

Hacker News does it. Reddit does it sitewide. Individual moderators do it sitewide. Shadowbanning is an essential tool for moderation, for dealing with trolls, spammers, abusive people. You can argue the tool is being used too widely by Facebook, but it is silly to pontificate against the practice as a whole. You reaaaaallly would not like the uncensored internet.

I can't think of any direct messaging applications that moderate content.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

#58

Post by swayvil »

krastanov wrote: post #51
swayvil wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For another example of such totalitarian shenanigans consider the practice of "shadowbanning" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning Ostensibly used for spam/troll countermeasures. In practice used to dick with whoever they choose for whatever reasons please their black little hearts. Reddit and Twitter are notorious for it. Other "social media" organisms too. AND ANOTHER MORE IMMEDIATE EXAMPLE Consider the w…

How is this different from booing you for saying something stupid/wrong (or otherwise disliked even when smart/true) in a public venue. If anything, downvoting seems more honest and less "censorish" than booing, because you still get a chance to respond.

Well for one, you get to see who's booing you.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

#59

Post by bellyfullofbac »

porlune wrote: post #36

I'm going to go on out on a limb and guess that this isn't really a case of censorship, because it's not like Facebook to not tell you directly that they've removed your content. Or they go the other route and post a disclaiming "fact check" under it.. but so far as silently removing posts, and marking them as "sent", seems more likely to be a bug. When I attempt to navigate to gnews.org the site is very slow, and I…

Probably downvoted because IMO that's a very weak limb you're going on, and the behaviour you're describing probably seems unbelievable to many users.

But well, maybe it is shitty coder(s) mishandling timeouts.

Re: FB messenger silently censoring links, claims they were sent

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Post by slackfan »

graeme wrote: post #48
blunte wrote: post #18

It's one thing to censor, but it's another to intentionally deceive your users into believing that they sent something.

Hacker News does it. Reddit does it sitewide. Individual moderators do it sitewide. Shadowbanning is an essential tool for moderation, for dealing with trolls, spammers, abusive people. You can argue the tool is being used too widely by Facebook, but it is silly to pontificate against the practice as a whole. You reaaaaallly would not like the uncensored internet.

I miss the uncensored internet, before it went all 2.0-shaped.
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