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The US doesn't need it. Other countries are entirely free to approve it for their citizens.
The US needs it if they want people who are spooked my mRNA tech to get vaccinated. They also need it if they want a vaccine that is the mostly likely to be safe for use in children.
After CDC stops updating stats on deaths/hospitalizations from Covid19 among those fully vaccinated against Covid19. As of August 9, net breakthrough deaths stood at 8/million and net breakthrough hospitalizations stood at 35/million, up 900% and 733%, respectively, since April 20. Current numbers: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/bre... Snapshots: https://archive.today/https://www.cdc.gov/vac…
I think you put on your tinfoil hat by mistake there buddy. None of the numbers you provided have any sort of relevance to the links you posted. Net breakthrough deaths, as far as I can tell, is not a real metric. And only 4 million people have died of covid globally to begin with...
Condescension is not helpful.
> Net breakthrough deaths, ..., is not a real metric.
What terminology would you recommend for getting the number of people who died from Covid19 after being fully vaccinated against Covid19?
>> Deaths† 1,587 (20%)
>> †341 (21%) of 1,587 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
The numbers are from the most recent update to CDC's page[1].
So, "net breakthrough deaths" as I called them are 1,587 - 341 = 1,246.
> As of August 9, 2021, more than 166 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.
So, 1,246/166 = 7.5 breakthrough deaths per million vaccinated.
Since the CDC do not report these as a time series, but they just overwrite the most recent numbers, I linked to snapshots of the same page over time[2]. If there is an arithmetic error, I would like to know.
Now, if you look at the snapshot from April 30[3], the numbers are:
>> As of April 20, 2021, more than 87 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.
>> Deaths† 88 (1%)
>> †11 (13%) of the 88 fatal cases were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
So, the net breakthrough death rate is 0.9 per million fully vaccinated.
7.5/0.9 - 1 = 7.33
meaning a 733% increase in the rate.
[1]: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/bre...
[2]: https://archive.ph/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hea...
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I guess the US military can now mandate it as they've said they will. Time to see how many of the people posting on social media that they'd rather take a dishonorable discharge will follow through.
They could have made it mandatory for the military regardless of full approval. This just makes it easier.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2003/12/judge-or...
I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.
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Of course, we don't have much info on the long-term health outcomes of getting COVID , either. It's like worrying about the long-term impact of breathing fire extinguisher powder while being engulfed by flames.
The government is not compelling you to get covid.
In nearly all other aspects of life, inflicting harm on others results in some sort of liability. Unsafe activities are regulated. However, in this time of massive death, massive hospitalization, massive long term health complications, basic safety is being thrown out the window to appease political tribalism.
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What if it you compare that to a mortality rate of 1.7%? All of a sudden .001 % death rate seems pretty good. What do I know though — this isn’t my area.
Where exactly do you get the 1.7%? Is it computed the same way the breakthrough deaths are computed? What is the denominator in each case? I see, you are using this table[1] ... This is the case fatality rate (which is inflated depending on how many infections are never recorded). Using the numbers provided by the CDC, if we put the cases in the denominator and not the vaccinated population, we have: Hospitalized or…
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The US doesn't need it. Other countries are entirely free to approve it for their citizens.
The US needs it if they want people who are spooked my mRNA tech to get vaccinated. They also need it if they want a vaccine that is the mostly likely to be safe for use in children.
My biggest concern now is around seeing those who hedged their willingness to get the vaccine on its approval instead find a new reason not to get it. So with that in mind, I'm much more keen on seeing how employers will decide on vaccination mandates now that at least one vaccine is fully approved. Any news yet on whether any more employers are likely implementing mandates (if they haven't already this morning) base…
Concern? Why? The virus is under control in countries where the vaccine rollout has been swift. Why do you sound so keen to force something on people that they don't want, regardless of their reasons? Shouldn't people have the right to choose what they take? If people can lose their jobs over it then clearly they don't have that right - that's a form of coercion/blackmail. I think the focus on a small minority of peo…
It's not this simple. Not taking a vaccine during a pandemic has negative externalities, since you're increasing the risk of infection and death of those you interact with, you increase the likelihood of consuming scarce resources (such as ICU beds), etc.
I largely agree with you, but framing it as a simple "individual choice" issue is reductive at best.
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More likely than not, they'll just move the goalposts farther and find a different excuse for not getting it.
Exactly like governments are moving goalposts with their measures: one lockdown... second one... wait no, a third one is necessary; herd immunity will be reached at 70% vaccination + infected, ah no actually only vaccinated count and it's 90%... did I say 99%? No, it will be 100%! Meanwhile in Japan: people living freely their lives with no lockdowns, no forced vaccination, no vaccine pass. Another model is possible…
70% is enough for the original Covid. Covid moved the goalposts to Delta which needs different numbers. This is not experts moving the goalposts, this is Covid changing on us - as was always expected to happen and why experts said we don't know what % is required until Israel showed 70% was enough for the original Covid strain.