Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

Post by p4bl0 » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 8:32 AM UTC

nixpulvis wrote: post #45

p4bl0 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They will certainly draw users away from Linux And the beauty of non commercial software is that we don't actually have to care about that. If people choose performance increase over freedom, you can't really chose for them. Now I'm not saying that we should not port free software to the M1. I'm saying that the good reason to do so is because the people porting it want to have it there, rather than thinking in term…

The problem, as I see it, is that "free software" becomes unfree when you have to pay to port it. Back in the glory of more universal general computers this was perhaps a lesser spoken requirement of the system. Today, it's clear to me that we are slipping back into chaos. EDIT: Seems like FSF's "freedom to run" might fit the definitional benchmark for me. I'm not really sure how people are going to react to that tho…

Post by floatboth » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 8:44 AM UTC

solarkraft wrote: post #5

chownchown wrote: post #3

Can it run anything with thumbnails in the filepicker? I kid. Now what I really wanted to ask.. Is it using Wayland?

Only framebuffers are currently available and a typical Wayland compositor runs through DRI (direct rendering infrastructure), which is a whole bunch more complex. I haven't ruled out Mutter having a framebuffer backend, but I suspect she just ran it through X, which has one. Edit: Looks like DRI is there after all: "Sven and the #dri-devel crew helped me spin up #2, which is what I'm using now."( https://twitter.com…

Post by floatboth » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 8:49 AM UTC

pkulak wrote: post #24

I’m so worried this project will get 95% of the way there, and then all the fun issues will run out and the M1 will be just another MacBook with WiFi, Bluetooth and sleep issues. The obvious issue is to pay someone to do the work, and I am, but I still can’t shake the fear.

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 8:54 AM UTC

nixpulvis wrote: post #45

p4bl0 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They will certainly draw users away from Linux And the beauty of non commercial software is that we don't actually have to care about that. If people choose performance increase over freedom, you can't really chose for them. Now I'm not saying that we should not port free software to the M1. I'm saying that the good reason to do so is because the people porting it want to have it there, rather than thinking in term…

The problem, as I see it, is that "free software" becomes unfree when you have to pay to port it. Back in the glory of more universal general computers this was perhaps a lesser spoken requirement of the system. Today, it's clear to me that we are slipping back into chaos. EDIT: Seems like FSF's "freedom to run" might fit the definitional benchmark for me. I'm not really sure how people are going to react to that tho…

Post by karatinversion » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 8:57 AM UTC

p4bl0 wrote: post #51

nixpulvis wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem, as I see it, is that "free software" becomes unfree when you have to pay to port it. Back in the glory of more universal general computers this was perhaps a lesser spoken requirement of the system. Today, it's clear to me that we are slipping back into chaos. EDIT: Seems like FSF's "freedom to run" might fit the definitional benchmark for me. I'm not really sure how people are going to react to that tho…

> "free software" becomes unfree when you have to pay Not the same meaning of "free". But anyway, for now, you have to pay Apple prices to have a computer with an M1 chip on it. If the price is a string requirement, one probably won't buy Apple hardware and rather get something that less expensive and is already well supported by free software :).