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Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#51
My father had a pretty average salary, bought a massive house for a reasonable price, and saw his wealth multiply many times over. It's not like that for my generation.

With the housing market this is certainly so. I'm one year younger than you, but have managed to triple my networth since 2020 (thanks Federal Reserve!) through stocks, mostly tech.

Obviously there is a lot of bias in this statement because I've only been investing for 7 years which have all been bull markets. But the data is there for you to see, if you can just buy and hold S&P500, you would have done very well over the last few years.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#52
If you moved back to your home town today, what would you do for a living? Do that in London, or something related to it.

As for the ⅔ pay cut, aren't you spending a good bit of that now on excessive London costs? Plus the intangibles of feeling like shit?

Finally, there must be someone who will pay you remotely (even if "remote" is just WFH in the City) for your skills, or for your fundamental abilities that your skills are built on. For example, an advanced engineering firm that uses statistical quality control, informed by ML.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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I think you give yourself too little credit. You graduated with a PhD in CS, you must be well above average.

Above average in which group though? If it's a competitive field where only the people with relevant PhDs get called back in for an interview, then you need to be at the top end of that group to get a job. Being above average in some broader population doesn't really mean much. (I don't know OP personally and I'm not commenting on them specifically, they could be amazing)

You have summed it up exactly. The salary and talent pool have bi-modal distributions.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#54
Due to the pandemic there is a lot of remote work available these days. You can probably find a freelance gig or a full-time position with a North America-based company that pays better than most London-based positions. And I don't mean Google, but one of the thousands of smaller companies. Often their interviews have almost no technical aspect, it's just chatting. At least that would be a partial solution.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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Golden Handcuffs can be a real bitch. I feel for you. How long have you been working at this job? You might just be burned out for the specific company and colleagues.

Less than 2 years. My previous gig was 2.5 years. Before that was 2.5 years. It's obvious I never last long anywhere! If I could switch companies easily I would. But you need to be insanely good at math/statistics to pass the interviews, which I'm not, and you need to show enthusiasm for the role, which is difficult.

This was normal for me for good many years. Given that few companies promote internally (or that there are fewer promotions available to staff) means that if you want a change you will probably have to move on anyhow

I would say that your first concern is to find something that you actually want to do. When you leave to get away from a job you will probably end up in the same space and the cycle will start again

The money you get paid to work in London is in part because how expensive London is, so moving home with a pay cut may actually see you better off

Be careful of how this will affect your relationship. You don't want to get to the point where the line "I put up with is this shit for your career" leaves your mouth

Sports data (odds and pricing) is another area that ML could get you a job

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#56
This just screams depression to me. You have dedicated so much of your life to CS and now dream about meditation and learning about things for fun.

It may be worthwhile also to think about why started your Phd in the first place. What did you find so fun back then. Just trace to the past and find your initial reason and try to chart a path from here to what problems you want to work on.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#57
Ask for a sabbatical to see if you can figure out what exactly makes you hate your job. Read up on the history of finance and the great depression.

Helping orient your mindset on the big picture of how you are helping people can be illuminating and good for mental health.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#58
I see a couple comments to the effect that you should find something that you like to do, and that's good -- liking things is generally easier than not liking them.

But to me that doesn't go far enough, and ignores a deeper question: what do you believe in? Like, in life? What are your values, your principles? This may be a bit dark, but if you died tomorrow and could witness your own funeral, how do you wish the people who know and love you to describe how you lived your life?

The things we do can be connected very deeply to the things we believe (to crudely paraphrase Bob Dylan: the things we "serve"). In my view, human beings have a higher probability of flourishing and overall contentment when they are connected. Conversely, when they're not -- when what we do doesn't serve what we believe, or when it goes against what we believe -- our species risks a lot of trouble.

So, my two cents: if you know your own values, come back to them concretely (write'em down, for instance). If you don't know them, or haven't ever articulated them very clearly, do so. But once you've got them nice and clear, find work (a career or not, just small-w work) that serves them. It's not a cure-all, by any means. Just consider them a little talisman and use them like that.

On the one hand, you may never end up a millionaire. But on the other, you'll never again spend much time in places like the one you're currently in.

Edit / addendum: this'll be cliche, and I'm sure you've heard it, but I say it anyway: take the time to develop a relationship with a good psychotherapist. Not even necessarily for your "symptoms", whatever those might be, but for the broader existential stuff.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#59
Although my unique circumstances are different, I'd like to share that you are not alone in feeling trapped in one's job and city since I too have felt the exact same way in recent years.

I unfortunately can't offer very many solutions since I am in basically the same "trapped" situation currently (but towards the end here I can hopefully share a few things that keep me going).

For myself, the position I currently have in my hometown is the best I can hope for in this area, but the work/team environment have steadily become worse, particularly the last few years...being able to work from home last year helped out tremendously since it was something I had been hoping to have for some time, but the main kicker was simply being able to be around my kids more and have those smaller interactions with them on a more frequent basis and not deal with the office drama constantly.

Age-wise, we're the exact same, but education-wise you're further along than I'll likely ever get (I have some work towards a Masters in CS, but I'm poor at math, so with a completed PhD in CS in hand for yourself, I feel that opens up so many more doors than I could hope to receive). Housing-wise, I fortunately live in a somewhat rural area so housing prices aren't nearly as high as they are in other parts of California so we were able to take the plunge to purchase a home about two years ago (at times I feel that renting was definitely easier, but we were outgrowing our old place so I echo the sentiment of having one's own place to make "home" as being a positive).

I think the big thing I'm reading in your post above though is potentially that proximity to family and a city where you actually do feel like you're home and I can also echo that sentiment too. I spent a year in the Bay Area for school, but always felt that it was different than my home area, and later on during a short stint at a tech company in the Bay as well, those sorts of feelings returned too (it's difficult for me to say though whether I might have eventually felt "at home" if I had given myself more time but I'm not sure if that would have occurred or not).

In the last month my workplace has had myself return to the office and it created an immediate sense of sadness since I would no longer have the comfortable environment I had built up at home, nor would I get to see my children as often I had grown accustomed to. That I feel is the great drawback of so many companies pushing to bring their staff back onsite rather than adopting proper remote work options and allowing for it moving forward.

On top of that, I took a short (less than a week) vacation with the family, and had similar feelings as yours in my first day back in the office afterward since I just resented the thought of coming back into the office again so much after enjoying a few days away.

Also like you however, I've even shied away from wanting to apply for Software Engineering roles at other companies because I have the same concern regarding whether I would prefer the new work more than my existing work...or would it in fact be worse? That's the big concern (aside from the larger questions of whether remote work would be allowed and if I would be forced to make larger changes such as completely moving my family away to another city, etc. which also doesn't seem as appealing to have to put them/myself through either if it can be avoided).

So I wonder, what's my alternative to this line of work I've been in over the past decade+? And it's a really sobering thought since there would basically be nothing (that I can think of) that would come close in terms of salary so I feel forced to continue on in it (even though I do enjoy software development overall, I've also worked mostly independently since I'm basically a team of one, so I'm never sure if working in a larger software oriented organization might take away some of the enjoyment I've had working independently on software projects due to the extra rigor that might be needed on larger teams...overall though I'd still hope that the extra comradery would be a net plus on that scale).

Since you mentioned that your partner earns several multiples of your current salary I'm not sure what kind of accelerated timescale that might provide you as a couple to a potentially early retirement elsewhere (potentially closer to your hometown), but that might be consideration (although it doesn't help out with the here and now feelings which can't be worked around if you're still needing to go to work and experience those feelings daily).

For myself, it is difficult too...in years past what would sometimes help is me making attempts to get hired at tech companies (providing some small hope for that short period of time before being eventually rejected...which is also a not so great feeling so that's one reason why I've shied away from doing much of that lately), but at the moment I'm actually exploring Y Combinator's Cofounder matching area to see if that might provide me one path away from my current role I feel so stuck in and maybe take me into a new role (e.g. CTO) where I can provide more impact in a smaller company and get to stretch more of my brain and what I feel I can bring to an organization. I'm not sure if this experiment will pan out or not, but I'm hopeful for now :-).

Feel free to reach out via my email in my profile if you feel like sharing any more of the "struggle" we both seem to have (it's good to know I'm not alone in feeling that way either :-)!

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#60

Have you looked at non-FAANG companies for remote work? If you know web apps or could learn there are a lot of companies with remote SW dev openings out there. After working for years at a large company, I am happy with a much smaller company, working directly on products. Happy as I could be, it still is work though. You feel more connected with the work when its usage isn't so distant. Sounds like you have some bur…

The problem is the salary differential between my industry / FAANG versus everything else. It's a bi-modal distribution.

Google doesn't have only people working on ads. You could be working on new DB, OS, infra etc. I myself resigned from job for Google (not at Google) because in my location they have only crappy projects but I think in London there might be something interesting. I think Facebook might start hiring remotely (and then I might consider joining).

I personally decided to work for startup with equity as for me it is most interesting work. I also switched to investing and enjoy this extra skillset and income and maybe you might too.

Also you said your partner is making 10x, so why do you even work? My wife makes 10x less and she works mostly for fun because it's marginal change to our way of living. Don't sell yourself if you don't have to. Why are you so obsessed on salary you probably don't need instead of living best of life? You are already old (sorry)

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