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Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#51

Whoever builds a wearable “sparkler” that is able to disrupt digital cameras or the underlying tech in a way that doesn’t require the user to wear a large scarf or similar is going to really usher in an interesting part of history.

One of the many benefits of facial coverings in 2020 and beyond. Its not perfect but its a solution until we get a "sparkler".

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#52

Well, suppose they became aware. Then what?

I tried telling random adults on the main street in my University town that Target was using non-disclosed facial recognition, about four years ago, for a while. The rate of response was less than half for people to show concern. I also somewhat-randomly discovered a local "facial aware" security system installer at the coffee shop. Once he noticed I was asking pointed questions about consent, he changed his tone and…

> Weeks later I saw him driving by and rode my bicycle next to him in traffic making a scene while saying nothing that could be construed as a threat. He was a little shaken that time I hope.

You tried to subtly threaten and shake up the owner of a local coffee shop, weeks later, as revenge for not entertaining your questions about the features of his security system?

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#53
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried telling random adults on the main street in my University town that Target was using non-disclosed facial recognition, about four years ago, for a while. The rate of response was less than half for people to show concern. I also somewhat-randomly discovered a local "facial aware" security system installer at the coffee shop. Once he noticed I was asking pointed questions about consent, he changed his tone and…

> Weeks later I saw him driving by and rode my bicycle next to him in traffic making a scene while saying nothing that could be construed as a threat. He was a little shaken that time I hope. You tried to subtly threaten and shake up the owner of a local coffee shop, weeks later, as revenge for not entertaining your questions about the features of his security system?

I did no threatening or revenge, and you should definitely retract that statement.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#54
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Walmart makes this rather obvious. I was walking down a medicine aisle the other day, and I looked up and saw my face on a screen with green lines outlining it.

Last time I was in a Walmart, it felt like they were doing everything they could to communicate they didn't want me to shop at their store. * Gates at the main entrances * Cameras everywhere * "Security" walking through the store in clearly marked uniforms * Self checkouts with UX that clearly communicates a lack of trust.

All that seems like they don't want you to steal at their store by giving deterrent cues. Which parts were practically inconvenient, or slow you down?

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#55
Kroger has felt especially intrusive for a couple of decades; it's almost as though they're going out of their way to be manipulative and creepy, right from the store layout where Pepsi is $87.00 at your feet and Coke is $0.75 at eye level, down to the personalized coupons they send you in the mail. But the big stores that don't have loyalty cards are still slurping up data; they just get it from your credit card and their cameras. I don't know what the answer is, beyond just trying to frequent farmers' markets.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#56

Well, suppose they became aware. Then what?

I tried telling random adults on the main street in my University town that Target was using non-disclosed facial recognition, about four years ago, for a while. The rate of response was less than half for people to show concern. I also somewhat-randomly discovered a local "facial aware" security system installer at the coffee shop. Once he noticed I was asking pointed questions about consent, he changed his tone and…

>saying nothing that could be construed as a threat.

>He was a little shaken that time I hope.

Choose one of these.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#57
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Weeks later I saw him driving by and rode my bicycle next to him in traffic making a scene while saying nothing that could be construed as a threat. He was a little shaken that time I hope. You tried to subtly threaten and shake up the owner of a local coffee shop, weeks later, as revenge for not entertaining your questions about the features of his security system?

I did no threatening or revenge, and you should definitely retract that statement.

You made a scene, while intentionally avoiding saying anything that could be construed as a threat (which is generally an attempt at subtle threatening), and you hope that you shook him up.

To remove that part: you hope that you shook up a local business owner for not entertaining your questions about the features of his security system?

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried telling random adults on the main street in my University town that Target was using non-disclosed facial recognition, about four years ago, for a while. The rate of response was less than half for people to show concern. I also somewhat-randomly discovered a local "facial aware" security system installer at the coffee shop. Once he noticed I was asking pointed questions about consent, he changed his tone and…

>saying nothing that could be construed as a threat. >He was a little shaken that time I hope . Choose one of these.

informed consent - pick two

.. expanded the sentence might be "shaken from his onerous and insular attitude to one of realization that others are not able to agree if they are not informed"

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I was in a Walmart, it felt like they were doing everything they could to communicate they didn't want me to shop at their store. * Gates at the main entrances * Cameras everywhere * "Security" walking through the store in clearly marked uniforms * Self checkouts with UX that clearly communicates a lack of trust.

All that seems like they don't want you to steal at their store by giving deterrent cues. Which parts were practically inconvenient, or slow you down?

Stores used to make customers feel good about shopping there. Adding elements that make your store feel more like a prison don't help here.
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