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Re: Scanning “private” content

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Post by drivingmenuts »

Apple will refuse requests to add other types of hashes …

Sure, but when it’s mandated by law, what then? How difficult would it be to force insurrection related imagery to that hash database? Apple would be in a very tough spot if that were made into law.

They’ve already opened a can of iWorms, because now that they’ve shown it can be done, lawmakers in any country can mandate the same technology be added to every device and it doesn’t have to be restricted to CSAM. That’s just the family-friendly excuse.

Re: Scanning “private” content

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Post by h_anna_h »

ogurechny wrote: post #48

> Child pornography and other types of sexual abuse of children are unquestionably heinous crimes; those who participate in them should be caught and severely punished. Have you seen an article that, say, criticizes prison system and needs to start with a reminder than killing people is wrong? Definitely a strange sight. This looks like Soviet era prefaces about the decisions of latest CPSU congress and some relevant…

I really wish they would avoid stating this belief of theirs as a fact. I do not enjoy being told what I should think. Just get straight to the topic instead.

Re: Scanning “private” content

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Post by remuskaos »

sandworm101 wrote: post #5
nullc wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I noticed google doing this too while trying to look up case law related to the discussion of apple's spyware. Related google searches popped up a big intimidating notice: " WARNING Child sexual abuse imagery is illegal". The obvious implication is that your searches are being reported to some unaccountable authority. I have no doubt that this creates a chilling effect against public discussion about these practices.

Lol. I've gotten these many times. It turns out that an acronym related to my work is one typo away from a listed child porn term/site. If google is reporting these then I am already on thier list.

In particle physics, it is interesting which fundamental interactions conserve parity, charge parity and time reversion. Interactions that do not conserve one or multiple parties are called "parity violating". In this context, in some interactions combined charge and parity conservation is violated, which is unfortunately named CP violation.

Re: Scanning “private” content

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Post by tremon »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #40
lettergram wrote: post #7

Librem 5 and pinephone are the future

What about Fairphone? EU only (or isn't it?) so I guess it's not a choice for that market where Apple's scanning has been introduced already as of today, but still. Though I've bought an iphone to get away from Google's all-seeing-eyes and won't crawl back to Google's ecosystem now, so I'd like to know more about Fairphone's O/S options. Is their Android de-Googled? AIU they're at least allowing installing alternativ…

Fairphone doesn't offer a custom OS, it's just stock Android. There is nominal support for more open ROMs, but those are third-party (community) efforts. Their selling point is focused on the hardware, not the software.

(edit: you can buy a deGoogled (but still Android) Fairphone from eFoundation: https://esolutions.shop/shop/e-os-fairphone-3-plus-fr/)

Re: Scanning “private” content

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Post by chess_buster »

caseysoftware wrote: post #29
userbinator wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you organise a rebellion on platforms controlled by the same entities you're rebelling against, ones who have shown that they can exert tremendous censoring power? They've also become an essential part of life for much of the population. As much as I'd love to be proven wrong, I don't think there will be any mass revolutions or other "liberty tree watering" going on in the near future. The masses have alrea…

It's easy to organize as long as you can gather in real life at restaurants, pubs, parks, churches.. oh.

Yeah lets meet. oh, I'm on the other side of the atlantic. lets meet in the middle then?

Re: Scanning “private” content

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Post by roenxi »

bruce343434 wrote: post #50
ogurechny wrote: post #48

> Child pornography and other types of sexual abuse of children are unquestionably heinous crimes; those who participate in them should be caught and severely punished. Have you seen an article that, say, criticizes prison system and needs to start with a reminder than killing people is wrong? Definitely a strange sight. This looks like Soviet era prefaces about the decisions of latest CPSU congress and some relevant…

CSAM is just a very touchy subject (pun not intended) because people really loose their shit easily if you mismanage your words. It's kind of weird actually, no other crime can set people off so badly. And in the age of online witch hunting, well... I get why the author does it.

It is usually lazy to point at evolution in social situations, but I think "look after the babies" is probably an instinct that has been baked in to humans at a very deep level. It explains why the response is often positive but surprisingly strong and unreasonable (it is almost humourous the list of atrocities that are easier to defend than CSAM, and grim how the instinctual protections offered to children fade away when people become adults).

Children aren't very tough. If they don't have nearby humans intervening to protect them they tend to die or do badly. Evolution favours people who have strong instincts to protect and promote children. It is plausible.

Re: Scanning “private” content

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Post by intricatedetail »

horrified wrote: post #46

Is Apple's approach even likely to catch any pedophiles? Seems to me at most it would succeed in keeping such photos from Apple devices, which is perhaps good for their public image, but does nothing to catch predators? It is very public now that Apple will scan for such pictures, so how many pedophiles will keep them on their phones?

Or Apple is taken over by pervs who want to be able to look at private photos to "verify" them. Once algo reaches a threshold they'll be able to see "lowres" versions.

Re: Scanning “private” content

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Post by TeMPOraL »

roenxi wrote: post #57
bruce343434 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CSAM is just a very touchy subject (pun not intended) because people really loose their shit easily if you mismanage your words. It's kind of weird actually, no other crime can set people off so badly. And in the age of online witch hunting, well... I get why the author does it.

It is usually lazy to point at evolution in social situations, but I think "look after the babies" is probably an instinct that has been baked in to humans at a very deep level. It explains why the response is often positive but surprisingly strong and unreasonable (it is almost humourous the list of atrocities that are easier to defend than CSAM, and grim how the instinctual protections offered to children fade away…

Whether or not the instinct manifests to some degree in everyone, it truly goes into overdrive once you become a parent. It's hard to describe in all its scope. Even a concept of a child being hurt by someone starts to become extremely disturbing.

For example, I've noticed that ever since I became a father, I can't enjoy some of the movies and shows I've liked previously, because the scenes where children are threatened or implied to be hurt become emotionally overwhelming to watch. To use a light example, take Star Trek TNG: Power Play (5x15). It was one of the episodes I always found boring, but when I got to it during the last semi-regular TNG rewatch, I had to pause it and collect myself. Almost switched it off. All because of one scene, where a mother and a child end up in the middle of a hostage situation.

Re: Scanning “private” content

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Post by sdflhasjd »

nullc wrote: post #3
AlexandrB wrote: post #2

I haven't seen much discussion of the changes to search, which seem a little dystopian as well: > Siri and Search are also being updated to intervene when users perform searches for queries related to CSAM. These interventions will explain to users that interest in this topic is harmful and problematic, and provide resources from partners to get help with this issue. Will apple.cn be extending this to searches about…

I noticed google doing this too while trying to look up case law related to the discussion of apple's spyware. Related google searches popped up a big intimidating notice: " WARNING Child sexual abuse imagery is illegal". The obvious implication is that your searches are being reported to some unaccountable authority. I have no doubt that this creates a chilling effect against public discussion about these practices.

You used to get that when searching for PDO (PHP Data Objects) documentation on Google. I think it got fixed some time in 2019 though.
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