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Activist arrested by London police after downloading docs found on Google search

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Re: Activist arrested by London police after downloading docs found on Google search

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No, the core issue is the London Metropolitan Police being incompetent (and slow).

Not just incompetent, but callous and cruel toward the citizenry, making themselves agents of capitalist oppression.

There’s no reason to blindly believe every report of crime. In this case there probably wasn’t sufficient evidence on the victim’s side that any crime had happened.

Re: Activist arrested by London police after downloading docs found on Google search

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A Title change might be good too, because like others, I thought it was Google Docs snitching on a downloader. A possibly more accurate title would be: "Activist raided by London police after downloading docs found on Google Search"

Ah ok. Fixed. Thanks!

I would change "raided" to "arrested". The word "raid" is only used by El Reg and not any primary source. The account the arrestee gives in the BBC is "four police officers turn[ed] up at [my] door at 8:30" which suggests to me they just served him with a warrant and he let them in. Perhaps some people might call any execution of a warrant a "raid" but to me it suggests a forced entry.

Re: Activist arrested by London police after downloading docs found on Google search

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Presumably whoever called the cops turned the password protection on before doing so.

But then they have lied to the police.

> But then they have lied to the police.

Yes. Companies misuse the violence of the state for their own ends all the time (see: Union busting).

Re: Activist arrested by London police after downloading docs found on Google search

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This is why people say that the police are an agent of the wealthy to oppress the common people. The wealthy "file a report", and the police "take the report seriously", trampling the rights and stealing precious time of people's lives (and sometimes much worse), but the common people can not do the same to their oppressors.

This is factually wrong. They are doing it based on the principles of equality and freedom. This is exactly what those terms mean. Your freedom is only limited if its execution limits the freedom of others. In this case he was free to browser the documents, but he was also impeding on the freedom of that corporation. Same with equality, it seems immoral when the rich always win. But morality is just a WAY OF DEALING with the contradictions of that are inherent to our economic system. People need to understand that freedom and equality can only be enforced by the state and people actually WANT the state to have the monopoly on the use of force. Separation of power and being democratic can be deduced from that too.

Re: Activist arrested by London police after downloading docs found on Google search

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They charged him without any evidence. They were harrassing an activist. It wasn't incompetence. [Edit: the article didn't say they charged him; I was wrong] Well, that's how it looks to me, on the basis of a single report in a tech journal with a sort-of tabloid outlook. Maybe there will be more information in coming days.

> They charged him Eh?

A British term, means formally charged with an offence. Police compile evidence and/or arrest a person. If the Police think there is enough of a case, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) decide if there is enough evidence to support a 'charge'

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/cps-says-role-cps-deciding-w...

Basically Police arrest, looked at the evidence then took no action as Police decided no crime - therefore not charged.

Re: Activist arrested by London police after downloading docs found on Google search

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But then they have lied to the police.

> But then they have lied to the police. Yes. Companies misuse the violence of the state for their own ends all the time (see: Union busting).

So do normal people, like reporting "suspicious activity" and SWATing.

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> They charged him Eh?

A British term, means formally charged with an offence. Police compile evidence and/or arrest a person. If the Police think there is enough of a case, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) decide if there is enough evidence to support a 'charge' https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/cps-says-role-cps-deciding-w... Basically Police arrest, looked at the evidence then took no action as Police decided no crime - therefore not c…

Yeah I know what it means. But he wasn’t charged. I don’t know why the person I’m replying to is saying that because it’s untrue.

Re: Activist arrested by London police after downloading docs found on Google search

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> But then they have lied to the police. Yes. Companies misuse the violence of the state for their own ends all the time (see: Union busting).

So do normal people, like reporting "suspicious activity" and SWATing.

It's almost like the state is too powerful and criminals best tool is abusing the states systems to leverage its violence

Re: Activist arrested by London police after downloading docs found on Google search

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How? By investigating a report of a crime, determining it was false, and releasing the guy?

There is no reason to take the guy into custard for downloading a file, he didn't do anything violent, and should be allowed to stay home as long as he cooperates with the investigation. Cooperative people accused of non-violent crimes should NEVER be taken into custody until proven guilty in a court with fair trial.

>Cooperative people accused of non-violent crimes should NEVER be taken into custody until proven guilty in a court with fair trial.

Uh, so if someone set fire to a bunch of homes in a neighborhood, and there's video of them doing it, but they did it knowing the homes were empty, they should just be left free until the trial is over? I'm sorry but I feel like a lot of online comments on criminal justice are very shortsighted

Re: Activist arrested by London police after downloading docs found on Google search

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This article leaves some really crucial parts of this timeline ambiguous. These things happened in some order: 1. Guy downloads stuff from website 2. Guy publishes stuff from website 3. Stuff becomes unavailable on the website 4. Website owners go to police, report “illegal access” 5. Police arrest guy Either the police arrested him, and the company declined to inform the police that these illegally accessed files ha…

If the website owner didn't think it was a big deal, why would they call police in the first place? Police are not just sitting and eagerly waiting for the ridiculous calls and complaints they receive. Most likely the website owner made the story sound like sort of theft occurred.
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