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China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by yorwba »

kps wrote: post #5

> “Strengthen the construction of the national ‘Internet + supervision’ system, and realize the integration and aggregation of data from supervision platforms by the end of 2022.” I'll bet they're pleased with you-know-who's you-know-what.

"Internet+ supervision" doesn't refer to supervision of the internet, but using the internet to make supervisory agencies in general more efficient. E.g. this post by the Zhejiang Archives from 2019 http://www.zjda.gov.cn/art/2019/6/10/art_1378485_34553497.ht... mentions that employees no longer have to carry around documents and manually fill them in to do their work, but can use an app for that.

The part you quoted probably means they want to get to the point where if someone in Jiangsu needs documents archived in Zhejiang, they can just access them through a unified platform instead of having to ask their colleagues there to send them over.

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by RegnisGnaw »

websites2023 wrote: post #48
RegnisGnaw wrote: post #16

I take a much dimmer view of this. Xi knows that climate change is coming and its going to be really bad. One of the issues coming from climate change is food shortage. Food shortage is going to cause riots in US, Canada, and EU for sure. Just based on the vaccine protests/riots, imagine what will happen when rationing is introduced. He's going to crack down hard and control the population, so when the inevitable com…

>Food shortage is going to cause riots in US, Canada, and EU for sure The US (along with France) can easily supply all the food they need to its citizens. Along with the alliances with Mexico and Canada, the US is not going to have food shortages, much less riots. China, on the other hand, is definitely screwed on this front. All of its neighbors are either outright enemies or begrudging allies. As the global order c…

Say that for US, Canada, France, and Mexico in 20 years. Do you want to bet on that?

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by JohnPrine »

vkou wrote: post #33
SubiculumCode wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-27/china-s-c...

1. Investors selling stock has zero bearing on the operation of a factory, barring certain edge cases. Companies extract money from the stock market by issuing IPOs, after that happens, it doesn't matter to them very much at what price their shares are traded. See my previous post - just because the stock value drops, doesn't mean that actual assets, know-how, expertise, or training disappears into thin air. [1] 2. F…

citation needed for your first point: "Companies extract money from the stock market by issuing IPOs, after that happens, it doesn't matter to them very much at what price their shares are traded"

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by 1MachineElf »

RegnisGnaw wrote: post #16

I take a much dimmer view of this. Xi knows that climate change is coming and its going to be really bad. One of the issues coming from climate change is food shortage. Food shortage is going to cause riots in US, Canada, and EU for sure. Just based on the vaccine protests/riots, imagine what will happen when rationing is introduced. He's going to crack down hard and control the population, so when the inevitable com…

>He's going to crack down hard and control the population, so when the inevitable comes there is acceptence

I'm curious how that will work. Are you saying CCP propaganda on TikTok is going to ease famine?

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by avmich »

flavius29663 wrote: post #43
ecshafer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The causes of the downfall of the USSR seems to always line up with whatever political angle the writer has. Leftwing can point to a lack of (political) liberalization or poor planning, rightwing can point to not going further on (economic) liberalization. It's a topic that is really valuable to think tanks based on their politics and their donor's politics.

And very few people look at what topped it off: the cold war. The insane pressure from the US caused USSR to overspend on military when then barely fed their population. I think people should say "US won the cold war" rather than "the cold war ended" or "the USSR collapsed". It didn't collapse on it's own...as bad as communism was for the population, they could have potentially carry it on forever, like North Korea,…

It's interesting that likely the biggest beneficiaries of Cold War ending were Russians, not Americans. So maybe US won the cold war - even though they were really worried about collapse of USSR and creation of multiple states instead the former one - but Russians certainly got something out of that collapse.

EDIT: and by "Russians" here I rather mean "former Soviet citizens".

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by RegnisGnaw »

flavius29663 wrote: post #44
katmannthree wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you take it as a simple additive 2°C increase in temperature sure, if you instead trust the models predicting significantly more unstable weather on both ends of the temperature spectrum then not so much.

more warm weather AND more rain, crops on average will do better.

More fires, more droughts, more pests, etc.

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by avmich »

nickff wrote: post #26
ecshafer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The causes of the downfall of the USSR seems to always line up with whatever political angle the writer has. Leftwing can point to a lack of (political) liberalization or poor planning, rightwing can point to not going further on (economic) liberalization. It's a topic that is really valuable to think tanks based on their politics and their donor's politics.

Most people in the West (both left and right-wing) thought the USSR was much more economically productive than it actually was, and that the populace was more supportive of the regime than was the case. The Chinese learned very valuable lessons from the USSR, namely that liberalization is very dangerous for a regime; North Korea has done much worse (economically) than the USSR, but is very politically stable. I am no…

> North Korea has done much worse (economically) than the USSR, but is very politically stable.

NK doesn't go to wars outside it. And they have support of China. This surely supports a long term stability... but how much of a long term, remains to be seen.

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by [deleted] »

RegnisGnaw wrote: post #52
websites2023 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Food shortage is going to cause riots in US, Canada, and EU for sure The US (along with France) can easily supply all the food they need to its citizens. Along with the alliances with Mexico and Canada, the US is not going to have food shortages, much less riots. China, on the other hand, is definitely screwed on this front. All of its neighbors are either outright enemies or begrudging allies. As the global order c…

Say that for US, Canada, France, and Mexico in 20 years. Do you want to bet on that?

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Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by Lammy »

yorwba wrote: post #51
kps wrote: post #5

> “Strengthen the construction of the national ‘Internet + supervision’ system, and realize the integration and aggregation of data from supervision platforms by the end of 2022.” I'll bet they're pleased with you-know-who's you-know-what.

"Internet+ supervision" doesn't refer to supervision of the internet, but using the internet to make supervisory agencies in general more efficient. E.g. this post by the Zhejiang Archives from 2019 http://www.zjda.gov.cn/art/2019/6/10/art_1378485_34553497.ht... mentions that employees no longer have to carry around documents and manually fill them in to do their work, but can use an app for that. The part you quoted…

Surely supervision/surveillance of a person covers all their Internet usage too, right? Google Translate makes it sound like this will just bring massive scale and automation to the types of surveillance and re-education that are already in place:

“In accordance with the requirements of the State Council’s ‘Internet + Supervision’, Zhejiang has vigorously promoted the pilot work of a unified administrative law enforcement and supervision platform across the province. The platform includes dual-random administrative law enforcement, a list of law enforcement matters, supervisory account management, schedule supervision and inspection, special law enforcement inspection, grassroots four-platform linkage management, departmental collaborative management and other module functions. Through this system, it is possible to enter law enforcement information online, transfer law enforcement procedures online, supervise law enforcement activities online, push law enforcement decisions in real time, and publicize law enforcement information in a unified manner, so as to realize the entire process of administrative law enforcement. At the end of May this year, the platform launched a handheld law enforcement app on Zhezheng Ding. Law enforcement officers can log in to the handheld law enforcement system using Dingding accounts. The handheld law enforcement APP system has four functional modules: supervision and inspection, supervision object management, classified supervision, inquiry and work assistance, which can meet the requirements of various inspection methods such as incident verification, daily inspection, and random inspection in administrative law enforcement inspection. Summarize law enforcement data with complete functions.”

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by Barrin92 »

warning26 wrote: post #13

Translation: get ready for arbitrary enforcement of nebulous, ill-defined standards!

explicit goal is actually the opposite and it's likely not just empty words. If you've done business in China as a foreigner over the last few years the court system in particular has actually become more reliable and noticeably quicker. It used to be way more arbitrary and chaotic about ten-ish years ago.
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