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Google's playing the closed-open game again, this time with HTML5

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Re: Google's playing the closed-open game again, this time with HTML5

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post #28

Eh. They did a vanity site to promote a product. When Goog starts adding /marquee/ tags and VBScript to their browser, I'll start getting worried about "openness."

Chrome does not support ? Interesting.

Chrome supports . cowboyhero was making an allusion to the browser wars[1].

[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Browser_wars#...

Re: Google's playing the closed-open game again, this time with HTML5

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post #47
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"this article is written with the obvious intention of bashing google" i agree, it is way faster to develop for just 1 browser, plus we should be celebrating people are trying to break ground doing this awesome videos, i can only begin to imagine all the impressive work that what went into this video, good one google +1

I hope this was sarcastic, unfortunately I fear you're actually serious. Scary.

out of curiosity why?

Re: Google's playing the closed-open game again, this time with HTML5

#54
I don't get the fuss. It's a website that says "Chrome experiment" made by Google Japan in collaboration with some artists. It is clearly a promotional piece. The creators have every right to do whatever the hell they want with it. This has nothing to do with the openness of Google or Chrome. It is a demonstration of HTML5 concepts IN CHROME. Not in Firefox. Not in IE9. Not in Safari. This is why it's a CHROME experiment and not an HTML5 experiment.

Re: Google's playing the closed-open game again, this time with HTML5

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post #10

It is clear to me that this is a Google Chrome Experiment, from their labs, and that they did not had any intention of it working on any other browser but i got curious... i was doing some research on it and they appear to be using sync xhr calls which causes FF to hiccup even after all this time. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383304 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313646 they are marked a…

Huh? Where do you see a sync XHR in there?

Re: Google's playing the closed-open game again, this time with HTML5

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post #10

It is clear to me that this is a Google Chrome Experiment, from their labs, and that they did not had any intention of it working on any other browser but i got curious... i was doing some research on it and they appear to be using sync xhr calls which causes FF to hiccup even after all this time. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383304 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313646 they are marked a…

Er... there is no synchronous XHR in the snippet you pasted. All calls to open() pass true for the third parameter.

Re: Google's playing the closed-open game again, this time with HTML5

#57
This is clearly says Chrome experiment, so this is sensationalism for me. The HTML5 spec is still in editor's draft and browser vendors have different interpretations in some areas. Video is an issue but criticising Google when they open sourced the VP8 codec is unfair. If I were a journalist I'd focus on patents as blocking the open web and innovation rather than fabricate an agenda like this.

Re: Google's playing the closed-open game again, this time with HTML5

#58
So now we think that because Google wanted to lock the presentation of this video in a very specific browser so that it runs in the very specific way they want to without dealing with every minor complication that can occur in every one of the 98743 browsers that "support" HTML 5 and CSS 3, it means that they are sending a message about locking up the web for themselves?

This is purely sensationalist bullshit, reading into actions that have no ulterior motives.

Re: Google's playing the closed-open game again, this time with HTML5

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post #41
post #9

Useless article. This has nothing to do with "openness", just marketing: what is Google's incentive to building the site in the first place if they can't make people download Chrome to view it? That said, they could at least add a "Try it anyway" button for other browsers.

You only think it's "useless" because it bashes Google, obviously a company you like. You ask what Google's incentive is to build the site if they can't make people download Chrome to use it, which is a bizarre question that seems to admit that Google is not about open standards at all. If Google was all about open standards, it wouldn't matter which browser you used. The reality is that Google is not some benevolent…

Your comment is full of ridiculousness. Please stop.

I wasn't making the claim that "Google is about open standards at all", or that they are "some benevolent open source company". I would argue that they are not. I was in fact pointing out the author's own misunderstanding of this, as they seemed to expect Google to "be about open standards" and what not, which is ridiculous; they are a business, you should expect them to try to make money. None of what I have said is in any way "justifying" anything about Google, merely providing an obvious explanation for a trivial situation which the author of this article apparently couldn't grasp.

Re: Google's playing the closed-open game again, this time with HTML5

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post #35
post #9

Useless article. This has nothing to do with "openness", just marketing: what is Google's incentive to building the site in the first place if they can't make people download Chrome to view it? That said, they could at least add a "Try it anyway" button for other browsers.

Chrome is free. Google builds websites to attract advertisers. Which makes Google's lack of openness all the more perplexing. And what's this about not being able to get the Android source!? I'll buy an iphone right now if that's true. At least Apple doesn't try and pretend they're not evil.

I don't see how this makes Google's lack of openness perplexing at all. On the contrary, I would be surprised (and pleased) if they were at least as "open" (which I don't think is the right word anyway) as to include a "Try it anyway" link as they did in ro.me
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