Seems to me a lot of noise about Apple joining all the other services in meeting US regulations, aren’t all major vendors equally compliant, maybe more invasively so!
WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
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Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great to hear someone else is doing the same. For me the biggest issue is I have young kids and the convienence of quick photo taking is good on a smartphone. Might look into pinephone or something similar.
"Might look into pinephone or something similar." Pinephone is my hope, too, but do not expect anything stable soon. That will take some time, probably years. It does not happen on its own, though, they need support now to make it a real alternative and not just a tinker toy.
They have other interesting products on their site. I'm also waiting to decide if getting this Pinephone or waiting for a beefier one with more battery life (1), but I can wait since I'm not into smartphones. In the meantime I supported them by purchasing their solder iron, plus tips and other add ons, which works surprisingly good for the price, and I'll probably buy one of their SBCs. So if anyone wants to support them, there are other ways to do that.
(1) To Pinephone designers: I would absolutely love a 2cm thick Pinephone if that allowed some more speed and serious battery life. I'm serious about that; my current phone is a Nokia 8110 4G (the new "banana") which is 1.5 cm thick, and although the OS is a joke and I use it only for calls and as 4G access point for my laptop, wrt usability it's the best thing I've bought in years.
Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
#53With the noble excuse of "protecting the children" they are just opening the vector that will allow them to go for other stuff in the future. I think this is just the first step and the intention is to make it "cognitively acceptable" for the majority of us later on. At this point, I have no doubt that in the future, a more ambiguous excuse such as "hate speech" will be used and under that umbrella, the elites will h…
Wait until you find out your noble support of using big tech to "fight nazis" over the last four years was a key part in normalizing moves like this.
Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you don't use iCloud Photo Library or sync photos to the iCloud, none of this will apply to you. https://daringfireball.net/2021/08/apple_child_safety_initia...
If this technology is that easily circumvented then why is there an expectation that it will be effective at all?
The CASM scanning happens on device, right? At least so we’ve heard.
My sense is Apple is trying to keep CASM off their servers. Scanning phones before it gets there was their solution to what I assume is a government demand/ultimatum. “Do this or we repatriate your foreign entity taxes” or some other shit.
I too feel that Apple just caved and eroded trust that took decades to build up. The only way this gets sorted is the “screeching minority” continues to screech and brings other in. Notify state attorneys general, FTC, etc. will that do anything? Who know? My bet is that it’s the DOJ behind all of this.
Hopefully the plaintiff bar which are already preparing class action lawsuits will find a way to get documents in discovery that allude to government coercion. But then again I’m sure there would be a clever way those are not produced under some “national security” bullbaiting reason.
All we can do is try, and keep the pressure on.
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Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
#56“other tech experts“ want to keep Apple from using End2End encryption so they have a reason why they don’t provide it to their customers. With Apple‘s approach Apple can only decrypt Data hosted with them if the (false) positives are over a threshold. It‘s a pretty neat way to implement a usecase so deeply wrong. All other companies protesting now want to keep access to userdata in the clear.
Apple‘s approach is the only way to - at the same time - act lawfully regarding to EARN-IT act in the US and provide E2E in iCloud.
I really hate these laws, but Apple is not the problem here. Read up on EARNIT and the EU laws currently in the works. All communication WILL HAVE TO BE SCANNED by the provider. Beating the drum against Apple will just lead to E2E encryption being forbidden. What needs to be forbidden instead is any access to communication.
https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EARN_IT_Act_of_2020 https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-sa...
Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
#57This applies only to photos that are uploaded to iCloud. Apple is doing to do the processing on the device though, but only for the photos that are going to be uploaded to iCloud. Like other services do.
WhatsApp is a Facebook property and decided to use this confusion to hit Apple politically with a low punch.
People that should know better prove once again that most people read no much than the headlines and base their conclusions on the tastiest sound bytes they hear.
Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
#58With the noble excuse of "protecting the children" they are just opening the vector that will allow them to go for other stuff in the future. I think this is just the first step and the intention is to make it "cognitively acceptable" for the majority of us later on. At this point, I have no doubt that in the future, a more ambiguous excuse such as "hate speech" will be used and under that umbrella, the elites will h…
Wait until you find out your noble support of using big tech to "fight nazis" over the last four years was a key part in normalizing moves like this.
The authoritarian impulse is disturbingly common. This is a product of the long decline in societal trust. also, baizuo
Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
#59WhatsApp/Facebook critizing Apple for privacy… that’s hilarious.
Theater. Just like the FBI-Apple trial to get data from locked phones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_d...
I am pretty sure all of Big Tech is in collusion among themselves and with various governments, after what Snowden showed us.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-cost...
Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan
#60This applies only to photos that are uploaded to iCloud. Apple is doing to do the processing on the device though, but only for the photos that are going to be uploaded to iCloud. Like other services do. WhatsApp is a Facebook property and decided to use this confusion to hit Apple politically with a low punch. People that should know better prove once again that most people read no much than the headlines and base t…
Facebook still sour about Apple blocking tracking mechanisms, hence the low punch?