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Whistleblowers expose corruption in EPA Chemical Safety Office

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Re: Whistleblowers expose corruption in EPA Chemical Safety Office

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I am sorry to hear about the personal impact to your family. I think things like the air quality sensor you run are the actual solution here. In the absence of government officials doing their job properly, it is up to individuals to do it for themselves. I wonder if there would be an open source solution for water quality testing and air quality testing, and if enough could be built by citizen hackers to create a di…

Thank you, I appreciate it. I can only bring awareness to it, one man vs mega polluters is an impossible fight. I live a stone's throw from the Lake Michigan shoreline, and would happily go out there daily to get a water sample, before my normal 9-5. If anyone is interested in hacking something together. The air sensor I run is open source, for anyone interested.

The air sensor you use is PurpleAir, right? I found a sensor evaluation kit ZMOD4510-EVK-HC that has nitrogen dioxide and ozone sensors in it for around $112.

Re: Whistleblowers expose corruption in EPA Chemical Safety Office

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I don’t understand what’s in it for the people pushing for these approvals. Are they getting kickbacks?

There is intense pressure to please big corporate interests. I see it in my field often. I have no idea where it comes from. I think maybe fear of the power big corporates have? Fear that their higher ups won’t protect them?

> I have no idea where it comes from.

One reason could be that company provides jobs so a politician can say he/she brought jobs to the area.

Re: Whistleblowers expose corruption in EPA Chemical Safety Office

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>"In the absence of government officials doing their job properly, it is up to individuals to do it for themselves." Does 'it' include seizing the means of pollution and dismantling them brick by brick? Otherwise you'll be in same situation as my town in Russia, where everyone knowns about a polluting zink refunery upwind, and it's still giving thousands of people cancer.

I feel like in the US, public pressure can result in action against corporations that are killing people. The government has the legal framework to bring these types of cases, but may not always find every case on its own. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that.

It's not the case. Dupont poisoned thousands in WV and it took decades to punish them. Currently thousands of people are poisoned by pig feces, and there are no repercussions.

Re: Whistleblowers expose corruption in EPA Chemical Safety Office

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Why are the various 'manager' names carefully avoided in this sort of reporting? Many other names, including the whistleblowers, are prominently offered. What rule is the Intercept complying with that has them bleep out (thus we known these names are known) the name of a manager in the audio and assiduously omit any manager names in the writing? Names would reveal relationships. Doubtless these managers are former or…

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Probably trying to avoid libel since nothing has been proven in court.

Truth is an absolute defense to libel in the US. Furthermore because this is the sort of reporting on a matter of public concern that society benefits from the standard gets tighter: it's not enough to show something was false, you have to show the publication should have known or acted maliciously in publishing. Incredibly high bar.

The super strong libel immunity only kicks in for public figures. These random managers probably aren't. So negligence is the bar for liability, not the Actual Malice of NYT v. Sullivan.

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post #17

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Truth is an absolute defense to libel in the US. Furthermore because this is the sort of reporting on a matter of public concern that society benefits from the standard gets tighter: it's not enough to show something was false, you have to show the publication should have known or acted maliciously in publishing. Incredibly high bar.

Truth or (as you point out) ignorance. Which is different from the UK and a lot of other countries. But the practical question is: can The Intercept afford a legal fight against Dow?

They likely have insurance for that sort of thing. I produce content for Youtube and even I have a media liability policy.

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Not sure why you're getting so heavily voted for something so blatantly obvious.

Probably because the article expressly states: > “The problems in OCSPP are not due solely to the Trump administration and its appointees,” said Bennett. “The issues faced by our clients occurred before Trump took office, during the Trump years, and continue now.”

Distinctly from this case however he is correct. Trump did go out of his way to install cronies into these departments to hobble the EPA, FCC, FTC etc. Pretending that because some of it existed prior to that somehow changes the immense damage he did is also incredibly dishonest.

What he couldn't directly deregulate with executive orders he indirectly deregulated through budget cuts and installation of abhorrent management. Sadly that is exactly what his supporters expected and undoubtedly paid him for.

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I try not to get emotional, but part of me thinks if death penalty were applicable to such crimes it would be an extraordinarily pragmatic decision. The history of chemicals damaging American lives due to corruption is long and sordid. Many of these chemicals, if improperly classified, can ruin an order of magnitude more lives than any serial killer. It can be rather shocking and disturbing to remind oneself exactly…

I agree with most of your comment around harsher punishments for corruption, especially when it involves public health in this manner. Not sure a death penalty will solve anything though.

> The history of chemicals damaging American lives due to corruption is long and sordid.

Is there a reason you specifically called out “American” lives here? Is it that you believe the perpetrators aren’t American somehow? Or that, when American companies harm the public in other countries, it doesn’t matter? Would really like to know more.

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It won't be a vaccine that makes you sterile. It will be one of the chemicals that end up everywhere because of corruption at the only agency that would protect us. This is also why those people for a unregulated free market are insane. Sure the company pedaling the dangerous chemical will eventual go out of business. But how many people will die and suffer and does anyone think that the people responsible will still…

People and their arguments pushing for less regulation still surprise me. It's a bad idea yet someone will rise from the depths to argue why it isn't.

What doesn't surprise me is there's always someone with a counter argument no matter how illogical it is. The world's a big place.

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