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The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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This reminds me of an early job I had. Except my boss was closer to retirement age and had basically earned a great deal of money as an industrial sales rep. His whole business was basically providing sales staff for big industrial manufacturers.

I actually went in to pitch him to become an investor in my small startup that was in the education sector. He was immediately interested but wanted me to also help him with several projects he was working on. He needed "a tech guy". He was the first wealthy business guy (but not the last) to tell me he was going to make me rich.

We pretty immediately started meeting with other people, he had me hiring a few employees, buying computers, having custom office furniture commissioned and checking out office space.

It was a whirlwind of different, seemingly unrelated ventures. There was my business, which I was trying to get off the ground, though after a few months, still hadn't received any investment. But I was bootstrapping it with money that I was earning working for this guy. Then there was some energy drink MLM that I think one of his rich friend's wife had signed him up for and he was buying cases and cases of it to meet quotas with plans to sell it. We had also hired a friend of mine as a sales person for some sort of mineral that I think is used in cattle feed and there were several other things going on.

We were flying around in his private plane, all over the state and region meeting with people. We would start around 5am and might fly to one part of the state, then by lunch, be one state over, then back to a local business by dinner and many times finishing up by around 9pm or even later sometimes. Lucky for me, I was just acting as a "consultant" since I was supposed to be trying to build my business. So I was just sending invoices to his secretary for my time. But I had almost no time for my own business. Though I was too busy living in this strange daze of so many projects and ideas being bounced around all fueled with seemingly unlimited money and a private jet zipping us around on a whim.

I realized things were probably coming to a head when he asked one day how "we" were doing with my education startup and if there was any free cash flow yet that we could start using for some of these other ventures (this was probably 3 months after I had pitched it to him). Of course, he had not actually given me any money for my business. But I think he sort of thought the consulting money he was paying me and his presence was just naturally building equity for him in my business.

I just told him no, we don't have any free cash flow yet and he jumped on to the next topic. His adult son, who by then was running the family business started showing up more and it seemed he was trying to rein in his father's spending. Apparently, he had spent down most of his retirement savings in those few months and he had attracted quite the cadre of grifters and hangers on (the room full of energy drinks was now starting to spill over into the vacant office next door). Perhaps to some outsiders, I seemed like one of those hangers on, but I was just a college student on summer break, excited about the constant action and interest that a prominent, wealthy businessman had in me and my business.

I would only catch bits and pieces of conversations here and there but I pieced together that the muscle relaxers that he had recently been prescribed for his back pain seemed to trigger a sort of manic state that was fueling all this craziness. We had to start laying people off and cutting any ongoing expenses and since university was starting back up, I sort of saw myself to the door and started responding to text messages and emails a little slower and slower and excusing myself from his business outings more and more frequently until he eventually moved on to fresher faces.

Definitely a weird but fun college summer break.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #13

There are lots of these half-arsed tiny tech companies in the UK (I've worked for a few). I wonder whether this is true all over the world, or is a peculiarity of the UK? It could be that we don't have a culture of VCs who would fund a company to the required scale and provide adult supervision. I remember when I ran a company, raising money or even getting a bank loan was impossible. (We just ran it on a shoestring…

> I wonder whether this is true all over the world, or is a peculiarity of the UK?

Pretty common in Australia too. ;)

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Contrary to most of the posts I read here, my first developer job was actually amazing.

I just learned a bit of webdevelopment during my studies and liked it, then managed to get a part-time job while still at university.

The company was started a few years before by 3 friends that studied physics and astronomy, but pivoted to software development for reasons I’m not sure about any more. Literally every employee there (about 11 at the time I joined) was amazing. I still have to credit most of my current skills and almost all of the important lessons I learned to everyone there.

I tried a different company after I finished my studies, which was also fine, but not quite the same. Tried running my own, but ultimately went back to the one I was at in Uni. Surprise surprise, they were doing even better.

I really only left because I got an offer I couldn’t refuse for a job in Japan. The salary was horrid but I really wanted to work overseas, and the work seemed fun.

Ironically, that ended up being a company much more like the one described in the article (better though, they had an actual business for starters).

Now of course I’m doing fine, but I’ve never since found a company as great as that first one. I check from time to time, and they’re still hiring.

If you live in the Netherlands check them out (no guarantees on current awesomeness) https://werkenbij.infi.nl/

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

#56
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“One thing that might strike you as odd is the bizarre graphics.” No, no! It's quite enjoyable, actually! The cute sheep. The purple cow. They gave me a good and hearty laugh once I saw them.

It is quite enjoyable. It’s also quite bizarre seeing them on a gambling website.

It does give the whole thing a kind of trustworthy vibe though. Like, they use cows as their mascots, how bad could it be.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

#57
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I had read this several years ago. This is the kind of thing which everyone instinctively knows but somehow forgets with age, or ignores due to circumstances (like needing a job having just been made redundant). I swear that CEOs like the one mentioned here specifically prefer hiring those who are in need like this, with the predictable awful behaviours. Some people will get lucky, but I expect that they are t…

Perhaps give them some flexibility if there's a technical co-founder as CTO. It depends on what the startup is working on. If it's trying to sell into the enterprise I'd be a lot more confident in its future if the CEO is heavily sales-focused provided there's also a technical co-founder keeping things sane on the tech side.

If there is a co-founder at all that’s much better than just a single person.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

#58

"Never work for a small business unless you own it". Citation: me, 35 years ago after my first small business employee experience.

I disagree with your advice. I work for a small business for over 5 years. Yeah, it has different vibes, sometimes we are cutting corners, or I have to touch frontend, backend and devops in the same day, but people in this company are amazing (almost everyone was hired because they knew someone already working for the company), my boss can appreciate good work and it's never expected to work overtime (excluding when our servers are down, but we almost never have such crisis). And, the best part - I was never hired to be a programmer, but to do some mundane excel work. I wanted to help, they gave me a chance and 5 years later I'm responsible for entire backend of this company. So my advice - never say never, always try to evaluate individually.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #13

There are lots of these half-arsed tiny tech companies in the UK (I've worked for a few). I wonder whether this is true all over the world, or is a peculiarity of the UK? It could be that we don't have a culture of VCs who would fund a company to the required scale and provide adult supervision. I remember when I ran a company, raising money or even getting a bank loan was impossible. (We just ran it on a shoestring…

UK IT salaries are really low and it's easy to set up a company. If you make economy business-friendly it's probably same as Android app store without a fee.

Low compared to the US - that's true of most places.

Low on a global scale? Absolutely not.

You're making it sound like we're living on minimum wage.

The average Java developer in London is within the top 5% of the UK in terms of salary.

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