I work 80 hours per week. I do what I love so it doesn’t feel like work. By doing this I am 40 hours ahead every week than most everyone else and the output and results definitely show.
Is this a troll?
Rep. Takano Introduces Legislation to Reduce the Standard Workweek to 32 Hours
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#52Can we get the almost infinite list of "overtime exceptions" for salary employees removed while we are at it? There are so many Americans that never saw a 40 hour a week expectation because of these and most of those people were not paid overtime due to 'salary' expectations. Every fast food/retail store manager I have ever spoken to faces this dilemma and all of my friends in 'professional firms' like architecture/law/accounting face this. Tech has been able to avoid it almost certainly only because of how scarce the labor is to begin with. I would assume in 100 years (if we are not all on fire) that tech workers working 40 hours (let alone less) will also be a small minority if we cant get this fixed.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
A 4 day workweek (8 * 4 = 32) to distribute the last few decades of productivity gains [1] to the working class. Very similar to how unions were how the working class received a weekend [2]. Why would we not expand the weekend/time for leisure and other non work related time as productivity increases? [1] https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/15558/producti... [2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/se…
I doubt anyone is hung up on a specific number. The policy goal is to replace one day of labor with one day of consumption or leisure.
You're not wrong, just trying to add context and some evidence versus "have to start somewhere."
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#54I work 80 hours per week. I do what I love so it doesn’t feel like work. By doing this I am 40 hours ahead every week than most everyone else and the output and results definitely show.
> and the output and results definitely show.
I hope you're working for yourself or in a direct commission/profit sharing position. If you aren't, you should take that tenacity and apply it somewhere that'll benefit yourself.
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#55I've been wondering what stops politicians from gaming the democratic system by introducing legislation that has short-term benefits for the electorate and long-term negative consequences for the country as a whole. I know that I wouldn't vote for someone like that, but I can't think of many people around me who wouldn't. I suppose many would think of it this way: "what's good for the long-term future of the country…
Isn’t that a huge portion of the bills passed? Except the horizon is ~5-10 years.
Think about lack of progress on building a sustainable energy model, protecting long term social safety net, ensuring long term stability of the country, investing in multigenerational building and infrastructure practices.
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#56"Today, Rep. Mark Takano (D-Calif.) introduced legislation that would reduce the standard workweek from 40 hours to 32 hours by lowering the maximum hours threshold for overtime compensation for non-exempt employees under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)." It seems like this would just lead to businesses who employee non-exempt employees hiring more of them but scheduling for fewer hours to stay under the 32 hour…
> It seems like this would just lead to businesses who employee non-exempt employees hiring more of them but scheduling for fewer hours to stay under the 32 hour threshold.
... I mean that's kind of the point, right? The AFL-CIO rep quote basically says that it will spread the existing hours around to more people.
There are also some cases where companies have few enough qualified candidates where they are already paying overtime, and this will not significantly affect them. For example if you are working 56 hours a week, then you are currently getting paid for 64 hours of labor (40+16 and 1.5x) and after this you would be getting paid for 68 hours of labor if you continued to work 56 hours.
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#57Takano and other well meaning legislators reveal they have zero clue how economies work or how wealth is created. It is fairly terrifying that these sorts have become so influential.
Based on vast capital accumulation to a small cohort [1], I believe they do know how wealth is being created. They're simply improving quality of life for the people doing the actual work. Conversely, its terrifying (at least to me) that there are people who endorse the dystopian status quo. [1] https://www.stlouisfed.org/open-vault/2020/december/has-weal...
What worries me is that the stagnant wages have been caused by globalization making our labor relatively unattractive compared to the rest of the world. This will only make our labor more unattractive, accelerating the loss of our dwindling manufacturing base.
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#58This is just for shows, right? Would never actually be implemented in the US.
Why not? At one point not so long ago the 40 hour work week was just a pipe dream
~100 years is a pretty darned long time by labor standards - i think when talking about changing labor standards, anything more than 1 generation is practically ancient. If you live in the US, the pre-40 hour work week era never applied to you, or your parents, and maybe even your grandparents.
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#59Somewhat of a tangent but related to labor: tell your reps to abolish personal income taxes and replace it with a consumption tax. We should not be taxing labor…
Every road having a toll is your idea of the future? Or am I misunderstanding something.
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#60Takano and other well meaning legislators reveal they have zero clue how economies work or how wealth is created. It is fairly terrifying that these sorts have become so influential.
> how economies work or how wealth is created
Could you point me to your preferred sources for this info?