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Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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This piece focuses on how organizing tasks doesn't increase much the chance of doing the tasks, and suggests that other techniques than digitalized to-dos yield slightly better returns. One thing I think this is missing is that work is hard and time consuming, and brain juice and time are limited resources.

1) You cant do everything. The more I advance in my career, the more comfortable I become with abandoning things. It is almost the same feeling as deleting dead code. I also realized that there's a better chance that I will do something if I enjoy it (duh) or if it's not menial. Tasks that are completely pointless still have a chance of being done if they are fun to me. Tasks that are neither will likely never be touched unless I might get fired for not doing them. What's depressing is that it takes some courage to admit defeat and cancel tasks, for some reason. Probably the fomo or something like that. But the psychological overhead of maintaining a pile of stuff is so high. Look at most backlogs, featuring pages after pages of valueless features that will never be done and bugs that will never get fixed. Yet when you propose a simple rule that we should just delete or close anything that had been lingering for more than 1y, people look at you like you're crazy

2) work is hard, and procrastination is real: we are cabled to minimize our cognitive expenditure. I think I can do a max of 1 to 2h per day of hard work, maybe a bit more if it's something I really enjoy, and there's probably a weekly cap as well. Doing something hard is not something I look forward to (don't put that on your resume). So when I pick the todo list, and have a choice between "add this fun feature to your pet project" or "define goals for next year", guess which will be done, and which will be postponed every single time.. . I think the only way of doing these harder tasks is by making them easier, less ambiguous, time bound, more fun, i.e lower the entry cost of the task. That's where some of the value of GTD and such methods resides - by defining a mechanism that transform "stuff" into actionable items. But even that is hard. I'm almost 20y in, yet I still struggle to abide to a strict process.

Work is hard.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it’s worth, we (Reclaim.ai - I’m quoted in the article), have a lot of ADHD customers who tell us that we help with time blocking on their calendar. In particular, the fact that we do it automatically seems to be the thing they appreciate. Edit: First time I’ve ever been downvoted into negative territory. Clearly I’ve embarrassed myself ;P Is it because of self promotion? I guess… seems weird though I/my com…

Probably the claim about "a lot of ADHD" clients. How do you even know? Did you ask?! What percent? Feels real BS to me.

Nope. Didn’t think to ask, in fact. But then they started to tell us. Here are two that did so via Twitter:

https://twitter.com/sadbangs/status/1304685594430377985?s=21

https://twitter.com/etoile/status/1397257456468824065?s=21

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#53
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What values do you use for each pomodoro, short break and long break? Also, do you estimate your tasks into how many pomodoros will take?

25 minutes a session. After 4 sessions, I take a break for 15-30 minutes. When I'm really in the zone I'll skip the break and keep going. Then I'll take ~15.

25 minutes then 5 minute break with extended break(15-30) after 4? Or you mean 25 work, 25, work, 25 work, 25 work, 15-30 break?

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#54
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the claim about "a lot of ADHD" clients. How do you even know? Did you ask?! What percent? Feels real BS to me.

Nope. Didn’t think to ask, in fact. But then they started to tell us. Here are two that did so via Twitter: https://twitter.com/sadbangs/status/1304685594430377985?s=21 https://twitter.com/etoile/status/1397257456468824065?s=21

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Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#55
Should be "We Still Don't Get Everything Done". Obvious point, but it is crucial to recognize. Lots of stuff gets done, just not everything you thought would. Which is why TODO lists can be useful (for me, anyway), but don't get any more complicated than just a list (I use a chalkboard for non-work and a txt file for work).

1) I need to not forget to do this thing

2) but I can only do one thing right now

3) put the other things on the list, and start working on the one at the top

4) occasionally, the list gets too long, so delete things that you've decided will not get done after all

That's all I expect a todo list to do for me, and that is plenty. The less baroque, the better, and frankly it doesn't merit an "app".

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#56
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it’s worth, we (Reclaim.ai - I’m quoted in the article), have a lot of ADHD customers who tell us that we help with time blocking on their calendar. In particular, the fact that we do it automatically seems to be the thing they appreciate. Edit: First time I’ve ever been downvoted into negative territory. Clearly I’ve embarrassed myself ;P Is it because of self promotion? I guess… seems weird though I/my com…

Probably the claim about "a lot of ADHD" clients. How do you even know? Did you ask?! What percent? Feels real BS to me.

I feel like his sentence explains clearly that they are reaching to comment/thank them and making the claim when they do so?

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#57
The YC credo is about building something people want and shipping your MVP ASAP.

What I see time and time again with teams and people prelaunch is a lack of a catalyst to ship their MVP. I've met many people who have an idea and their MVP is 95% complete. Then things stall and feature creep sets in for three reasons:

1) Your MVP will, by design, have technical debt. No one likes debt.

2) Releasing means a shift from being a dev/engineer to being a marketer and building the company that builds the product. And you do this while also working on your technical debt. If your sales stall, then you are stuck in "should I spend more money on time on marketing" hell.

3) Anyone who can build something people want and create an MVP has numerous alternatives for certain income.

So as much as I'd like to ship my MVP next month I procrastinate since I am also a consultant who bills at good hourly rate and I can just do that instead. Good isn't just the enemy of great. Good is also a great hedge against the time waste of building a business that is no fun to operate and isn't profitable which is why many MVPs never ship.

Edit: typos, clarity

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#58

This piece focuses on how organizing tasks doesn't increase much the chance of doing the tasks, and suggests that other techniques than digitalized to-dos yield slightly better returns. One thing I think this is missing is that work is hard and time consuming, and brain juice and time are limited resources. 1) You cant do everything. The more I advance in my career, the more comfortable I become with abandoning thing…

I generally agree with your points, but 1 to 2 hours? When I'm off-rotation I still find the time for at least 3-4 hours of intense productive work in the day, and on-rotation I am focused oftentimes for 10+ hours in a day. Perhaps it's different levels of mental engagement but I'm curious why you say, what seems to me to be, such low amounts.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#59
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the claim about "a lot of ADHD" clients. How do you even know? Did you ask?! What percent? Feels real BS to me.

Nope. Didn’t think to ask, in fact. But then they started to tell us. Here are two that did so via Twitter: https://twitter.com/sadbangs/status/1304685594430377985?s=21 https://twitter.com/etoile/status/1397257456468824065?s=21

Your reply to pixie was really nice and authentic. It's gratifying to know people appreciate what you made!

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it’s worth, we (Reclaim.ai - I’m quoted in the article), have a lot of ADHD customers who tell us that we help with time blocking on their calendar. In particular, the fact that we do it automatically seems to be the thing they appreciate. Edit: First time I’ve ever been downvoted into negative territory. Clearly I’ve embarrassed myself ;P Is it because of self promotion? I guess… seems weird though I/my com…

fwiw, I’m going to check out your service. The article’s conclusions are philosophical and introspective, but it does give the practical finding that calendar time blocking is a more effective method than simple todo lists. So trying out the latter is an actionable item. Doing a guided meditation session to emphasize with my future self would be another step- wonder if that’s the future of meditation/wellness/product…

In fact the only tool you need for time blocking is Google Calendar --or similar. The rest is just convenience, if any.
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