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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by handrous »

devwastaken wrote: post #44
jeroenhd wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if the iPad can be used as a computer, there's very little reason to buy a Macbook. It makes no financial sense. It'd also allow apps to dynamically load external software, which could be used as a bypass for Apple's stringent app store requirements.

If macbooks were gone tomorrow, the ipad would not replace it. Very different use cases. Sure, if you took an ipad, put OSX on it, and glued it to the hinges of a macbook as the screen - then maybe it'd be very similiar. Not great performance or battery life, but similiar. But in no way am I getting work done on an ipad touchscreen with a little flimsy foldable keyboard and kickstand.

As an iOS (and Android) user and developer since about the iPad2, iPads interest me less the more iOS shifts toward being a general-purpose OS. I wouldn't buy one with macOS or equivalent on it, even if it'd been modified to work well on touch screens. At that point I'd probably get the cheapest large Android tablet I could find as a PDF reader, and just... not do the other stuff I do with iPads at all, I guess.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by anthk »

opheliate wrote: post #43
anthk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids can get a Pinebook for $100, and a rpi+power source+keyboard+cheap touch display for less than $50.

Absolutely, this is what we eventually did, and I’m immensely grateful for the current ubiquity of low-cost hardware :) it’s just discouraging to me that Apple takes such a hard line on this

Apple's tablet/phone branch and social media people want customers and "sharers", not producers.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by heavyset_go »

This is a good example of how innovation, competition and small businesses are being stifled by the anticompetitive behavior of the mobile app distribution cartel.

Consider contacting your state's Attorney General office, and the US Attorney General office. Many states' AG offices have antitrust divisions[1].

The US Dept. of Justice also has an Antitrust Division[2], along with a page that details how and why[3] to get in touch with them:

> Information from the public is vital to the work of the Antitrust Division. Your e-mails, letters, and phone calls could be our first alert to a possible violation of antitrust laws and may provide the initial evidence needed to begin an investigation.

The FTC has the Bureau of Competition[4], as well.

[1] https://www.naag.org/issues/antitrust/

[2] https://www.justice.gov/atr

[3] https://www.justice.gov/atr/report-violations

[4] https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc/bureaus-offices/bureau-competi...

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

#54

Post by Shank »

bri3d wrote: post #42
yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

You can sideload the app yourself - but the account can only have 3 devices, and the app expires and stops running weekly for a free account or every 90 days (iirc - it's been awhile since I entered this particular dumpster fire) for a paid account. This is to prevent you as a developer from using your provisioning profile to backdoor-distribute software to end-users. The largest loophole still is probably Enterprise…

It’s a year for a paid account, 90 days through TestFlight.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by anthk »

opheliate wrote: post #43
anthk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids can get a Pinebook for $100, and a rpi+power source+keyboard+cheap touch display for less than $50.

Absolutely, this is what we eventually did, and I’m immensely grateful for the current ubiquity of low-cost hardware :) it’s just discouraging to me that Apple takes such a hard line on this

In my case, I've got a random 30 eur (~$25?) Chinese netbook over Ali-whatever with Android and 1GB. Totally outdated specs, but with Fdroid (huge repo off libre apps) and Termux (tmux, Perl, clang, lynx...LOTS of CLI libre tools) it makes an amazing machine for the price of two hard-cover books.

EDIT: mocp under Termux works, so is not as limited as I tought.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by foxpurple »

jeroenhd wrote: post #23
opheliate wrote: post #12

When I was younger, my family couldn’t afford a laptop, but I have the distinct memory of wanting to learn to code on the iPads at my school, and being unable to find any app which would let me just write and execute programs. Looking around the App Store now, there do seem to be a couple of apps which would allow this, but it’s still really disappointing to see this kind of removal. The majority of kids these days w…

Because if the iPad can be used as a computer, there's very little reason to buy a Macbook. It makes no financial sense. It'd also allow apps to dynamically load external software, which could be used as a bypass for Apple's stringent app store requirements.

The iPad Pro and magic keyboard costs more than the MacBook Air. So apple would be doing pretty well if they could get MacBook users to buy an iPad.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by FabHK »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #20
Joeri wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS users have mostly chosen to accept the walled garden. If they hadn’t, they would be android users.

This assumes that users understand the implications of the garden they're buying into. For many there may be a strong bandwagon effect, and they don't fully grasp what they are losing.

I think I largely understand the implications of the garden I chose, and I doubt there will be much anguish among my less technical family/friends about their loss when they fully grasp that they will never be able to run a DOS emulator on their iPhones.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by formerly_proven »

marinhero wrote: post #40
wodenokoto wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't do anything. It's a phone, not a PC. I got an iPhone because it does what it does well, and doesn't do other things at all. iPhones are slick, costly and secure, at the cost of not being malleable. It's a trade-off I made at purchase time and I know most users of both iPhone and Android never considered that tradeoff.

I partially agree with you but I think the iPad breaks this rationale. They argue it's a computer so why won't they let it be?

> Executing code [...] allows for downloading of content without licensing.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by foxpurple »

devwastaken wrote: post #44
jeroenhd wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if the iPad can be used as a computer, there's very little reason to buy a Macbook. It makes no financial sense. It'd also allow apps to dynamically load external software, which could be used as a bypass for Apple's stringent app store requirements.

If macbooks were gone tomorrow, the ipad would not replace it. Very different use cases. Sure, if you took an ipad, put OSX on it, and glued it to the hinges of a macbook as the screen - then maybe it'd be very similiar. Not great performance or battery life, but similiar. But in no way am I getting work done on an ipad touchscreen with a little flimsy foldable keyboard and kickstand.

This is outdated info. The latest iPad Pro has the M1 chip, exactly the same as the MacBook. And it comes in 8/16gb ram.

The magic keyboard accessory apple sells for the iPad also turns it in to the same form factor as a laptop.

You very realistically could replace a MacBook with an iPad Pro and magic keyboard if apple let people run macOS on it.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by handrous »

anthk wrote: post #52
opheliate wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely, this is what we eventually did, and I’m immensely grateful for the current ubiquity of low-cost hardware :) it’s just discouraging to me that Apple takes such a hard line on this

Apple's tablet/phone branch and social media people want customers and "sharers", not producers.

Their iOS and i-thingy announcement videos pretty much always feature "producers" very heavily, and the features and software they release and maintain often focus on making things. What's the deal with that?
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