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Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Imposter syndrome can keep you from advancing your career because you think you shouldn't have a career in the first place and if you try to move up you'll finally be found out.

That just sounds like a lack of confidence. If you aren't an imposter, why would you call it imposter syndrome?

lack of confidence is imposter syndrome. Actual ability or lack there of has nothing to do with whether or not you feel like an imposter

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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I personally would rather that all artists stay far, far away from UI design forever , for the simple reason that they will never allow me to customize anything. It's bad enough we're stuck with the current bespoke "light" and "dark" modes in UIs that were fully customizable in the fucking longlongago of the goddamned 90s . Not to mention their propensity for form over function. No thanks. Kindly fuck off.

Way to completely reduce an industry.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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>If you aren't an imposter, why would you call it imposter syndrome? Couldn't you say this about the names of various psychological syndromes? "If you aren't Alice in Wonderland, why would you call it Alice in Wonderland syndrome?" It's referring to the person's subjective experience, from their (perhaps warped) point of view.

You can call it whatever you want, but if the description doesn't fit I think it's fair to say it's at best a poor label. And it will always lead to confusion when just trying to communicate something. Why not just call a spade a spade?

It's a psychological condition afflicting someone, not that they're actually an imposter.

Imagine a lawyer who is terrified to go to work every day. She went to a good law school, got good grades, passed the bar exam, is well-respected in her field, etc. But she is terrified that her colleagues will, one of these days, find out that she's not even truly a lawyer at all -- she's just someone who managed to jump through enough hoops to convince people that she's a real lawyer. Once the people around her learn who she really is, hoo boy... she's going to lose her law license and her reputation and her clients and her house... she lives in fear of being "found out" every single day and it's beginning to affect both her career and her health.

Is this lawyer an imposter? No, she's truly the lawyer everyone thinks she is, and it would be inaccurate to call her an imposter. But she is suffering from imposter syndrome.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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As an amateur painter and professional coder, I must say art and design are key to even my statistical analysis. The issue is the human reader of your product. You want to make their experience easy and pleasant, even if it's reading numerical analyses. Thus, I take very boring looking data and turn it into something that's possible to engage with easily. That's composition, design, detail oriented execution, many crossovers between various creative fields.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can call it whatever you want, but if the description doesn't fit I think it's fair to say it's at best a poor label. And it will always lead to confusion when just trying to communicate something. Why not just call a spade a spade?

It's a psychological condition afflicting someone, not that they're actually an imposter. Imagine a lawyer who is terrified to go to work every day. She went to a good law school, got good grades, passed the bar exam, is well-respected in her field, etc. But she is terrified that her colleagues will, one of these days, find out that she's not even truly a lawyer at all -- she's just someone who managed to jump throug…

What you just described is an example of imposter syndrome (at least the way I think of it). The comment I was responding to was not.

If the lawyer feels like an imposter in her current role, that's different from feeling like an imposter in a role you don't even have. This is the distinction I'm making, and why I think the label doesn't fit. Should I feel like I have imposter syndrome because I'd be uncomfortable as a professional athlete, something I don't do? Or should I just realize I don't have confidence to do something else? To me those are very different. Recognizing I can't do everything isn't a form of imposter syndrome - if it is it makes the label completely meaningless.

I'm aware it's a psychological condition. We're arguing over something we haven't even defined yet though, so how would you define it?

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Imposter syndrome can keep you from advancing your career because you think you shouldn't have a career in the first place and if you try to move up you'll finally be found out.

That just sounds like a lack of confidence. If you aren't an imposter, why would you call it imposter syndrome?

You seem to be misunderstanding what imposter syndrome is. The entire point is that you aren't an imposter but you feel like one.

Its used to refer to people that are actually competent at what they do but they feel like they have faked everything and that the entire world is about to find out. A lack of self confidence is a core part of imposter syndrome.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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As an amateur painter and professional coder, I must say art and design are key to even my statistical analysis. The issue is the human reader of your product. You want to make their experience easy and pleasant, even if it's reading numerical analyses. Thus, I take very boring looking data and turn it into something that's possible to engage with easily. That's composition, design, detail oriented execution, many cr…

Absolutely agree with this. I love that most mainstream monitoring tools today aren’t just “graphs” but they keep in mind contrasting/complementing color codes to make it easy to read and spot changes that may be concerning.

If I’m an engineer operating services I probably have to stare at dashboards and graphs a lot; making them pretty/easy to read makes my life just a little bit easier and I’m grateful for that.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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It's a psychological condition afflicting someone, not that they're actually an imposter. Imagine a lawyer who is terrified to go to work every day. She went to a good law school, got good grades, passed the bar exam, is well-respected in her field, etc. But she is terrified that her colleagues will, one of these days, find out that she's not even truly a lawyer at all -- she's just someone who managed to jump throug…

What you just described is an example of imposter syndrome (at least the way I think of it). The comment I was responding to was not. If the lawyer feels like an imposter in her current role, that's different from feeling like an imposter in a role you don't even have. This is the distinction I'm making, and why I think the label doesn't fit. Should I feel like I have imposter syndrome because I'd be uncomfortable as…

If someone doesn't think of themself as a "real artist" even though they really do make real art, they might not seek a paid job that uses their art skills, as a UI designer or otherwise. I think that could reasonably be described as "imposter syndrome" by a layperson, but I'm not going to haggle over whether or not it meets a formal definition.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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As a practicing visual artist / art school hippie who recently got into working as a software engineer I got really excited when I saw this, noted problems aside. But I wasn't surprised to see it was limited to UI/UX. I'm having a really hard time finding other art school grads and visual artists working on the engineering side of tech and it's starting to make me feel a little crazy. Does anyone have any suggestions…

Art school grad here - Though I'm not a professional software developer myself, I have a couple artist/SWE friends who are involved in the Algorave community along with a lot of other creative coders. While not a strictly visual medium it could be a nice jumping off point to look into!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorave

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Language is based on use. Popular use is never incorrect. Dictionaries don't dictate language, they try to follow it.

I hear this argument pretty frequently, but it comes off as more of an excuse. Most people aren't thumping the dictionary like a fundamentalist might a Bible, they're just pointing out that they have a different understanding of the word than another person does. Language is useful when everyone's on the same page. And especially regarding words drifting toward hyperbole, exaggeration, and sometimes simple misuse, so…

regardless of whether it's technically correct(or who even gets to decide that) - the point of using language is to communicate, if you are communicating what you want then you're accomplishing your goal.

Sometimes you might want to speak more formally or 'proper' - but that's just another example of communicating effectively, by using word choice to convey the right level of formality. Or to be perceived a certain way.

Of course it's fine people are pointing out that they use the word a different way. Just saying I think the author used a clear word choice to effectively communicate what he meant to the largest number of people - even the people who are pointing out that he used the word wrong know what he was trying to communicate(otherwise they wouldn't realize he was using it 'incorrectly').

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